Any steel when light enough is flexible, the tempering would determine how much it could bend before it breaks. You can bend most any standardbred shoe by hand because they are a light section. The part I have trouble with is I have never seen a horses foot flex as the advertisements show when stepping on an uneven surface, easywalker promoted the same thing.
If a horse catches a heel it may stay bent. It can only flex to a point if not if couldn't be shaped. and it will expande and contract with the hoof. You can watch the video on vimeo or on youtube we have a other video called horseshoe comparison they might answer some of your questions.
Chris, could you be more precise on what you view as bull within the context of these shoes? Thanks Ray
Hey Gary - peer pressure won out at the barrel races and the love of home cooked meals won out at home. Guess which one got me. Look what I had to do. Will have to move up a half size next time as I didn't realize a Nordic "O" in this shoe was a tad shorter.
Ray its not the shoe , its the bull about the so called flexion abilities of the "toolsteel" properties , if any farrier can bend supposedly a shoe by hand as others have pointed out IMO it can have no practical purpose being put on a working horses foot , if the shoe is that malliable it will have no wear properties and that in my book makes it a BS propersition , may as well go barefoot
Chris, do you agree that there is a difference between malleability and wear? for instance, polymer shoes, quite flexable and in my experience they often out wear fe and easily out wear al.. and i have seen them work very well on some horses that didn t do well barefoot.your thoughts? thanks again Ray
Ray if somebody can make a shoe that "flexes " on one plane and not the other in my book that is xxxxxx , we have used polymer shoes and without doubt they can wear as well as steel but at a cost not only in the initial outlay but long term concussion problems throughout the limb (another thread i should think ) , my point is more that the shoe is only a shoe and is being promoted on the BS factors , what is actually different in the shoe being presented that is not present in other shoes ?
yes, your nordics are a slight shorter; like your diamonds; they are of the old american standard of measurement. go 1 size up; grind down 1/2 a size. so you want an 0.5 size. George knows I know more about keggers than anyone he knows; he is right
i didn't watch the video yet (trying to cook supper) but is this shoe made for only the soft surfaces then, like the tracks and deeper sand for the barrel racers?
Chris you need to study some tool steel properties, it's all in the tempering. Take a sword they are made of tool quality steel but a good one can be bent a considerable amount without breaking. Come back to the U.S. and shoe some standardbreds for a while, George should be able to hook you up. I believe a half round/ half swedge shoe is a 1/4 by 7/16 section, 6x11 mm whatever that works out to. They bend really easy don't really need much but a pair of shoe spreaders to shape them. As far as wear some horses go fine some need borium with these shoes. But they are usually done on a 4 or shorter week cycle around here.
Ok, it is the new fad for the canchasers around here...I remember the ground control shoe that was supposed to let a hoof "flex" as it loads also...years ago when I lived in Sunny Florida I would hang around Ben White Raceway in Orlando and watch the Standard Bred Farriers work at their shops..I saw really nice well shaped feet back then and I can tell ya now days I don't see really nice feet on quarter horses like that? I see so much HiLo fugly feet that I really don't see the Razors nailin up right out of the box . Are they shapeable or will the magically return to the "right out of the box shape"? What say you Donnie?
I'm not certain how the Razors will react to shaping. I do know there will be instructions on how to shape. Their representative said there are modifications being made as we speak and that they will be on the market shortly. He will have samples at the Summit for those attending.
Not able to attend the Summit this year so if you go pick his brain will ya? I wonder how those thin shoes also hold up to twisting and turning? I know already ya can't clip em so???? Thanks ahead of time for any info ya pick up. And they want them to last the Whole Six weeks, when I tell them, if you want to think like a track owner ya better do them at 3 weeks with little nails...
I am always battling the owners because they want a shoe that is next to nothing...I prefer to tell them I am more interested in protection so that they don't get sore ? We all know a footsore horse will not run to its best ability...DUH! They think that a horse that you are only asking for less than 20 seconds of work and the rest of the time the horse needs support...they want the thinest litest shoe possible...canchasers will drive ya to drink for sure...
I am new to this forum but I am thankful a friend gave me a heads up to this. I find it intriguing the amount of gossip about a product nobody has touched or used. This shoe was not designed to "fix" any problems nor are we trying to undercut farriers. The shoe is not a new fad, it has over 13 years of research and development backed by endless testimonials from the industries top professionals. Sound horses speak more than theory. Many people are threatened because it changes the way we think, its new, its different, it challenges the norm. Guess what guys you still have lame horses. We are all (or should be) just in this to help horses. This is not the golden ticket, however i don't see many others with anything better out. This shoe was designed to most mimic the hoof capsule, it provides the necessary support and protection without prohibiting the natural movement of a hoof. This is NOT a fix all for all common problems farriers face today. This is a product that enhances a perfect design. Yes the shoe originated in the standardbred industry, however we have spent a great deal of time and money rigorously testing it on some of the top barrel horses in the industry. The necessary changes have been made to the shoe and its been proven. Just a side note we also have several wins stacking up in the cutting horse industry as well. Once again we are not aiming at "fixing" anything. Just stating that sound horses perform better.
And Gary, Maybe the reason you have "can chasers" always bringing you something new is cause they are not happy. Be more respectful to them they put food on your table.
So, Chris, do you have a vested interest in the product? Regardless, if the product can't withstand the questions and scrutiny [or, 'gossip' if you will] being asked by a relative few farriers on an internet forum, then perhaps the product is more flawed than it appears. Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing it at the Summit this week because it may [or may not] be another tool for my 'bag of tricks'. From my rather limited experience with shoeing drum runners and others of the type, I know it takes more than a shoe to get the horse dialed in correctly to perform its best. Having watched the video I too have some reservations about the heel movement claims made and what the repercussions to the horse are when/if there is as much independent heel movement as shown in the video. I had the same reservations when the Easy Walker proponents/sales staff made the same claims. Time will tell. They're no different than any others that compete. They've got "Blue ribbon blues". Just wait, reason and rational thought be damned, 'till the product you are hawking doesn't work for them. They'll be on to the 'next greatest thing since sliced bread' faster than a Bugatti Veyron goes from 0-60.
