Im with david and john..I feel pretty lucky..im only inflicted with one wakadoodle..the rest I enjoy working with..I have also maybe not been 100% on board with a script but I damn sure aint never seen a vet ask for something that may kill a horse..as much as tom talks about law suites and walking away im starting to wonder if some farriers are ask to nail on hand grenades. .
Travis this is a x-ray of a foundered horse in a Sigafoose shoe. Note that the plastic rim on the shoe does not show up very well in the x-ray. The tip of P3 had descended about 3/8" below the foot surface of the plastic rim of the shoe. The instructions in the x-ray say to move the shoe back 1/2". In order to follow that prescription you would have to cut about 1/2" off of the tip of P3. Do you think that would kill the horse?
Lol..tom thats pretty much a hand grenade.. I do very little to none founder horses so my question is for all of you..on the times your ask to fill a script that you do not agree with or refuse to fill what is the case.. like is it founder or other??
Tom from what you show and write you do not have to cut off any foot , it says to move the shoe back 1/2 "
Chris, I probably didn't explain the situation adequately for someone not familiar with the Sigafoose shoes and how they appear in an x-ray. In the image below, the dotted red line is the FOOT SURFACE of the shoe. This part of the shoe is PLASTIC. It does not show up in the x-ray. The dotted blue line is the tip of P3. You can't move the shoe back because the tip of P3 is 1/2" below the level of the wall. The vet dropped the x-rays off at the barn and never returned my telephone calls about the horse.
That's an easy rx to fill and easy money and will not do harm to the horse. If done right. Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
Well how did it play out tom.. and was this your client or a referral...... also Eric said he had several calls in a week about filling a script ..are those all referrals or your clients..im asking because does the vets not try to work with the regular farrier to fill the script..normaly in my area referrals come about when there is a good working relationship between vet and referred farrier and by the post I dont gather its a good relationship..so are these yalls regular clients? ?
This was a referral from a farrier who didn't want to work with this particular vet. I shod the horse without any direct communication with the vet other than the notes on the x-rays which the vet never returned my call to talk about. I managed to get the horse weight bearing. Then 3 days after I shod the horse the vet came to the farm and dug the Equipak out of the bottom of the horse's foot. This made the horse worse. I called the vet and left several messages about it but the vet never called back. I called the client and told her what happened and that I could not get a return call from the vet. She couldn't get the vet to call me either. So I gave her a choice, get a different vet or get a different farrier. Well she only trusted this vet . . . so I referred her to Dave Ferguson.
Yep, plenty of foot to work with only the lower 3rd of the wall was rotted away from daily soaking while encapsulated in a glued on cuff.
The amount of foot is irrelevant. All you had to do was cut the cuff out of the toe and remove the rim pad and glue it on. Little duct tape on the toe fill with soft equipak if the horse could take it. The web of the shoe would have protected the tip of the coffin bone. Pass go and collect $400 and no argument with vet or owner. Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
Then by releiving the rim pad there would have been ample room to alleviate any psi on p3. I'd rather get $400 multiple times than $500 once Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
Tom did vet say why he popped out the pour in.. also what gives..you advise to walk away on this kind but you did not follow ur own advise..speaking for myself I would think changing up the script would be way more risky. .the xray that was left said nothing about equipack..you added that..so had this went bad wrong my guess would be its thr farriers nuts on the line now...its great that it did not go to bad.. ive always thought you had a rock solid business plan when dealing with clients and I must say I took from it and it has served me well..but im not sure why you have issues with vets other than you feel you know better..and im not saying you dont..chances are you would be better off doing the script how you wanna do it ..but you may wanna revisit your approach and dealing with vets and you may find you have less issues. .maybe you come off abrasive. .lol..
I never talked to the vet in person or on the phone. The vet dropped the x-rays off at the barn with the note you see written on the x-ray. There wqas never any discussion between me and the vet at any point in the case - not for my lack of trying to get in touch with the guy. I called the vet several times and the vet never returned my calls. We never discussed the horse. I know the vet dug the Equipack out of the foot because when I went to see the horse the barn manager told me the vet had been there the previous day and dug the Equipac out of the foot. After that happened I called the owner and requested that she get the vet to call me. After 10 days of never getting a return call and the owner not following up with making the vet call me I referred the case to another farrier. Justin, I didn't put the horse back in a Sigafoose shoe because the foot was saturated from daily soaking and the horn was so rotten that you could scrape it away with your fingernail. Instead I cleaned up the rotten horn, soaked the exposed insensitive lamina with Durasole, and made an acrylic mold of the foot to support the quarters. Then nailed on a fence shoe. Used a piece of snow rim pad as a spacer to keep P3 above the shoe until the acrylic and the Equipac setup. There was no Equipac under P3. The horse couldn't stand on that foot until the package was installed.
By the way, the owner never came to the barn to see the horse either. She just left a check with the barn manager.
Tom I have to agree with you. Walking away was the best course of action here. I would ask the client how she can trust this vet when he doesn't care enough to answer a phone call. He obviously doesn't care if the horse gets better or not.
Well Travis, sometimes you have to be a man AND GROW A SET OF BALLS, take charge of a situation instead of being a whining pushover pussy.
Tom that makes no sense with your law suite wslk away theory...you clearly say walk if you dont agree with the scrpit..the last one who touch the horse is setting them self up for law suite. . Also I understand you never talk to the vet my questions are more of surely the vet spoke with owner and explained why the equipack was pulled.. and then owner would tell you.. the whole desl is odd as hell.. 1. Its was a referral 2. But vet refusing to talk to you..3. You disagree with vets script but your not the horses farrier but you take it upon yourself to do what you want..4 .vet pulls out equipack then you call to ask why..still no call back 5. Owner in total lala land and vet seems to tell her nothing.... what a odd turn of events. . I fell pretty damn sure owner know more than shes saying.. but hey not your problem anymore. .
