I would never do that tom..i have a great deal of respect for you and your work..i just think we disagree on this one thing... and lord help if looking to Obama for anything..lol
Travis I actually confronted this vet about this case at the IHCS during his lecture on vet farrier cooperation.
Well heck what he say... also I dont think what you did as fwr as the shoeing was wrong as I said I have no doubts you did what you could to help the said horse..I just think you put yourself in a awful spot ..I dont think if you saved the horse from death it would have been good enough for the vet..the vet pulling out the pour in if the horse was going good speaks volumes for the vets ego..an absentee owner ..vet cant agree with farrier. .just a no win..did vet apologize. .lol
I asked him in the seminar what a farrier should do when a vet refuses to return telephone calls or discuss a horse. He said that he would be happy to intercede on my behalf if I ever had that problem with a vet. I said what if the vet I have the problem with is YOU? He said you will never have that problem with me. I said, but I did have that problem with you. He said I have never met you before today. I said that's true. You never met me at the barn to discuss tho horse, and you never returned my calls to discuss the horse. All you did was left x-rays at the bar with notes scribbled on the film. So now here you are talking about vet farrier cooperation and you are the biggest hypocrite I've ever met. So he asked me to talk to him privately after the lecture. Some of the bare-footers in the audience got a little upset about me calling out the good doctor during his lecture, but I got Frank Lessiter's blessing before hand and the IHCS is Frank's show. After the lecture I met with the doctor and gave him the name of the horse and the client and the whole story of how he left me hanging. He knew at that point who I was because the shoeing package worked despite his messing with the equipack. Anyway he apologized profusely and he really had no explanation for why he blew me off like he did other than being incredibly busy at that time of year. The farrier I referred to take over the case was Dave Ferguson. Travis, do you know who that is?
I don't think the guy had a clue what he was looking at when he saw the package and he was trying to figure out how the horse could walk in it. It isn't like this was some kind of standard founder shoeing protocol that you see in a text book. There was never an opportunity for agreement or disagreement. If the vet had been there when I was working on the horse I would have welcomed his input and he would have had a chance to see the condition of the foot once I removed the existing package and he would have seen where the tip of P3 was in relation to what was left of the wall. This isn't a case of a vet dropping the ball - he never showed up for the damned ball game.
I cant say I know mr Ferguson personaly but yes I do know of him..ive never had the chance to attend any teaching venture of his but have never hesrd nothing but good about him..if memory serves me he has been Iinvolved in afa I also read on your web page some time back he was a mentor to you slong with some other fine fellas ..so I have to ask why in the world would you do that man like that to refer him to that vet..lol..I know all you wanted to do was help the horse..I get that and respect it..I really do..we cant save them all and speaking for myself only I cant risk my career on a chance or something I did not feel 100% about..btw way I noticed typos are not your MO so when you say you picked up the xrays at the bar did the said vet leave them with the bartender or the barmaid. .
Travis, when it comes to shoeing foundered horses Fergy is a rather well known big fish in a small pond. Not the kind of farrier a vet wants to stand up at the barn or leave hanging without a call back. Sorry Trav, the x-rays were left sitting on the bar in the barn next to the door to the gym and pool room.
All of the above. The owner kept her horses at Daddy Warbucks estate. Barn manager was in charge of property upkeep and seemed to resent having to care for the horses in addition to mowing the yard, tending the flower beds, cleaning the pool, keeping the bar stocked, etc. Rich folks can be quite eccentric nay bizarre if you get my drift.
I understand where you are coming from, Denise, but the vet was/is a hypocrite and should not have been the speaker on that particular subject.Why should anyone defer from 'outing' him publicly? Frank was probably rather upset when he learned of that vet's duplicity. I mean, look at the bruha that erupted when Gene Ovnicek used a substitute slide to get his point across...... And if Tom's outing of that vet's hypocrisy(for whatever reason(s) ) makes Tom an ass, then congratulations to him for achieving that distinction. Just one more reason I am proud to call him "friend".
I don't think the title of the lecture was "vet/farrier relations". I think it was "Farrier's role in getting Insulin resistant horses back on pasture." Regardless, it was a personal matter between those two; there are always two sides to every story; no one in the room really cared, and it was just plain ugly.
Vet defines farrier's role . . . reporting observations. Evidently the vet isn't required to acknowledge or respond to the reports or engage in any form of collaboration. It wasn't a personal matter it was a professional come to Jesus meeting in plain view of the town. Calling folks to accountability is a dirty job that needs to be done a lot more often, especially folks who hold themselves up in front of the public as some sort of authority. According to the barn manager, the protocol being used to treat this horse was to pump the horse full of pain killers and turn it out on 10 acres of lush grass and soak the feet twice a day to treat a diagnosed over the phone abscess. To reiterate, this vet didn't just drop the ball, he never showed up for the game.
So who took the radiographs and left them at the barn? Who returned three days after your shoe job and dug out the equipak? Why did he return three days after your shoe job and who called him out? And why weren't you called by whoever called the vet out? And who is to say that digging out the equipak made the horse better or worse as you were not there and did not see the horse immediately before and after the equipak was dug out?
The flying spaghetti monster. The flying spaghetti monster. The flying spaghetti monster commanded it thusly. See above. You are making dumbASSumptions.
I had one that ticked me off a bit a few weeks ago. This client has a horse thats always slightly off, big foot, flat sole no depth, broken back HPA. We've shod him in steel in th past with set toe, but it didnt make much difference. I really want to shoe the horse in set toe AL eggbar with a #2 wedge but every time she always wants to see if he'll come around barefoot. He's just got these feet that are always falling apart and if I trim him up too much he's real sore. So I take the conservative approach but also try to give him a good roll around the front. I do the other 4 horses in the barn as well, all shod with no problems. Well new vet comes along and recommends her farrier shoe the horse in the manner I had been trying to get done for two years. Client calls tells me the news. After some confusion and annoyance, I tell her the new farrier should do a decent job (i've seen his work, it's not bad) and I'll see her when Im in to do the rest of them. Well she tells me she's just going to have him do the rest of the horses too because he wont come out for one. She only owns the one, but runs the show as far as the rest of them go. The kicker, the farrier is the vets husband.
