what s wrong with the nail holes and shoe shapes

Thanks - though in the two images of mine that you have posted, the damage to the hoof was certainly not caused by the clips. In the one where half the foot has come off there was a coronary band injury that had caused a flaw in the hoof wall that had grown down and that foot would have broken away with or without clips.

In the other, it's a front foot shod with a toe clip which is well away from the damage to the hoof. In fact, the damage was caused by the owner leaving the horse far too long between shoeings and when the shoe came off the nails took a chunk of hoof wall with them.

I don't usually comment on other's work, but in the other picture that you posted, the damage has old nail tracks up through it which, I would argue, was the cause of the damage not a clip.

Seems we should stop using nails!

If clips are properly fit into the hoof wall and the nails have been placed appropriately a person will not loose hoof wall. Factory made clips for American shoes are to large on average ( to thick, tall, and wide). I believe they are designed for use with a pad. Or the clips need to be altered.

In any case. I think if your clinches are close to the clip your going to loose hoof. Its the nails fault not the clips. Its actually most likely operator error. Trust me I have done it.

Better fitting clips and a better nail line are the cure.

That might require a shoe punched courser then you are using.

Thank you michael lets say then that its the nails falt or its placement that this happens more often with clips.back to my origanal question what would be proper nail placement in relation to the clip. As i think i said, i feel most kegs place them to close. Ps.Gary i know that sheared foot was not the clips falt but it was just way to funny to resist seriously though looked at some of your work last pm reading threw old post .verry nice

Michael,

I agree with you on the size of clips, for practical purposes. Do you tend to make toe clips taller than side of quarter clips? I do, mostly for looks probably. Any thoughts?

Regards

I have honestly never thought about it. ....

Agreed Michael. if I loose hoof to a clip it's because the nail is too close to the clip and the combo traps some hoof wall.

Driving the nails higher and smaller clinches is the cure to loosing hoof wall.

Regarding clip , when pulling a clip the in the norm the section your useing
plays a part in the size that is good.

The thing about feet breaking off and the like
things that might need looking at.

your trim, choice of section, choice of nail, nail placement,
clip placement.

hot fitting will help weak feet get better providing
Your trim is in order.

driving less nails in these type of feet is better imo
dont drive nails or fit clips in the area thats poor

also this is when good nail fit comes out on top in poor feet

Thanks smitty .I bulid a pritty short clip as im concerned with them stepng on a loose one and if I were to drive my nails mutch higher they would be parting there hair but i rarly hot fit ,might be wearth trying PS sorry guys and Gals spell cant get the spell check to work

I only pull short/rounded clips when shoeing t/b monty

So Michael, are you saying that my small, thin, short and narrow clips I draw are actually cutting edge, state of the art, and should be considered the industry leading standard?

Would like to see a few clips that lads prefer to pull against the machine clips

Bill. I need to see a photo of them. But I am starting to think you should give a clinic.

Cool. I'll post my 2015 world tour schedule soon.

Could someone explain to me whats wrong with placeing nails neer the toe . Ben out of the loop for a while and keep seeing it menshoned but cant find any info . Had some delta shoes years ago that had the first two holes about a inch apart and other then whearing the heads off the nails befor a reset i dont remember any problems rilly liked the shoe though

Read the 3 part study done by Martin Kenny and draw your own opinion: http://www.thehoofcenter.com/id58.html

Thanks Mikel.(Hmm?)

Mikel, thanks for posting that article by Martin Kenny. Abut five years ago I quit using the toe nails because I figured they weren't doing much, and couldn't figuer a reason not to use the last nails in the shoe.
It's cool to see a fellow like Kenny figure the anatomical reasoning.

After reading the article in the journal, I stopped using the toe nail as well. Very, very rarely will I put one in today.

I think foot trim and fit go along way to let you drive nails in most any where on the foot with
in reason.
as long as I have been shoeing I have had no problems driving toe nails
I have shod a wide range of breeds for 40 years with no problems

from pacers to shires