Under run heels!

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    Under run contracted heels? There's 2 very different opinions on how to treat them. Opinion one, take just toe and leave the heel. Opinion two, trim toe and heel, moving heel as far back as possible.



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    J.R.B., Feb 22, 2017
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    J.R.B.,

    betcha a nickle that there are/have been more than two opinions bout this subject,


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    ray steele, Feb 23, 2017
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    Yeah but either you take the heel or you don't. I'm new here. I have never had one as bad as this horse. I will try to post a few pictures.


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    Wow! I thought this was where farriers talked about shoeing horses!
    I must have been wrong!



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    J.R.B., Feb 24, 2017
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    J.R.B.

    it is one of many places where folks talk about horseshoeing, you may find that other venues have more conversation,at any rate I don t think that you will find anyplace that gives opinions in a strict time frame. That said , things have slowed down around here and I m told at other farrier related sites.
    Check back, I have some theories on the situation that you have posted that I will get into in this thread when I have a little more time, or you could search the topic in the this site as over the few years the site has been here it has been discussed before.

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    ray steele, Feb 25, 2017
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    Thanks Ray.


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    1 st., there is a lot on the internet discussing concerning under run heels/contracted heels and the "correct" way to treat.

    In the pictures that you posted I note the purple staining which I m presuming is the result of a topical treatment application for thrush, frog rot/hoof rot. If this is correct ,it would be interesting to know which came 1st, the heel problem or the thrush. Also, how bad is the thrush, is the frog so impaired that pressure cannot be applied even if contact is made?



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    ray steele, Feb 28, 2017
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    not trying to be rude but if that's the worst problem heels you've seen; consider yourself blessed
    brian robertson, Mar 2, 2017
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    Those hooves look like they will try to run forward between shoeing cycles so I would trim the toes short and the heels back also. I would also make sure there is plenty of shoe to cover the heels all the way to the end of the hoof wall.
    Mike Lawrence, Mar 5, 2017
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    I questioned the purple staining because if it is because of thrush/hoof rot ,depending on the severity the frog may be very compromised,compounding the contracted heels and overall hoof integrity because of lack of mechanical expansion.

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    ray steele, Mar 8, 2017
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    Very mild thrush. Secondary. I use magic cushion under a pad. Treat once a week with just a little thrush X
    I first questioned the trim no trim heel
    His current heel has not been trimmed on 4 shoeing cycles of 6 weeks
    The current heel contacts the shoe 2 inch from the end of the shoe.
    I do have his heel spreading significantly but it is still is ran way forward. It's actually just in behind the widest part of the hoof.
    I'm still not satisfied in how it is looking.
    Would it be better to trim for complete balance and build the heel back up with Vetech equibuild?
    The current method is not supporting enough and bulbs seam to stay tender.
    FYI standardbred horse shown under saddle in speed classes.


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    J.R.B., Mar 17, 2017
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    Yes that is the case.
    Would you recommend building the heel up to get a comfortable angle
    And matching the other hoof?


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    J.R.B., Mar 17, 2017
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    Hoof appears actually better than it is. The current heel pressure is 2 inches from the cork of the shoe just behind the widest point of the hoof wall. He has a very long narrow frog.
    And yes this am am blessed thank you and any additional help is more than welcomed.


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    leather or plastic pad?

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    ray steele, Mar 18, 2017
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    I will be shoeing one similar to yours later this week. I'll get some pics.
    Mike Lawrence, Mar 19, 2017
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    This horse had underrun heels. This is the 4th shoeing with shoes fit very full. I put adhere in the heel area to prevent shoe pulling.
    Mike Lawrence, Mar 23, 2017
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