That's a good question Eric..I guess its kinda like that porno saying Rick B uses..something about I don't know how to define it but I know when I see it what to do...or something like that.... I guess if the end of the heel is way above the wide part of the frog and if you trim it back it slams the bulbs down on the ground ..or the horn tubuls make an abrupt turn to the toe...kinda hard for me to decribe it..
That's describing an upright pastern, ie, broken back. The coffin bone is at a lower angle and the pastern is raised unloading the heels causing a different angle between the heel and toe.
It all has to do with weight bearing and levers. Do you feel the bulbs would flatten out and heels crush if wear to growth was balanced?
Maybe not Eric..I have never put that to the test.. let me tell ya what I have tried and tell me where I'm going wrong.. long toe ottb ..set off the toe and do away with folded heels ...five weeks right back where I started.. refine it four more times.. trim toe back toe clip with plenty of heel ...horse slight off.. five weeks later same thing shorter heels...still no better... Then four weeks ..number 3 wedge with impression material.. side clips slide shoe back ..owner says don't change nothing now...but still the foot looks pretty much same just chasing my tail.... Hang on I put up a pic of one I just can't get ahead on...diff horse but close..
..this horse is over due a bit buy not that over due..maybe 9 weeks.. its a haul in so we have to time it where they can meet me at a farm I shoe at ...its a few hour haul so timing at times is a little tuff...I will get more pic this time he is hauling in this week....
How would yall go about Shoeing this on...jumper in training nothing real high.. I would be more incline to say he's going to be a hunter at best..
I have decent luck with shoeing them a bit short and standing them up. Dunno how much you could get away with that on a jumper, though. Since he's still just training, it might be okay. YMMV.
The hoof capsule is a mirror image of the forces placed on it. Establish where the bio mechanics have gone wrong, It could be linked to pathology, it could be conformation it could be management it could be congenital, it could be hereditary. The limb moves from the point of the scapular, the withers. This is not joined to the spine by anything other than muscle and ligament. This then angles downwards and forwards to form a joint with the humerous, giving the angle of the shoulder, this joint can be observed at the chest. The Humerous then angles backwards to the Radius, giving the top of the leg. We now have an open hinged joint, from the withers to the top of the leg. This can be moved backwards and forwards open and close and inward and outward. It is held in place by a complex arangement of muscle and ligaments called the Equine stay apparatus of the fore limb. How this area is held implace, operates, and alows the horse to carry its mass will have a bearing on the length of stride, arc of flight and you guessed it the forces placed on the capsule. Looking at obvious pathology and the muscle development will give you clues as to what is going wrong with the horse. Asymmetry is a good place to start, an asymmetric hoof can usually be viewed also as asymmetry in the withers. Take a shoe off a horse and hold the bulbs of the heels in both hands, medial in one hand and lateral in the other and you can move them like butter. The heels are molded by the combination of two things ,A) the bones of the fore limb, the angles and lengths and the arrangement's they make with each other. B) the horses ability to carry its mass and perambulate it along. By that I mean the muscle development and horses posture. And of course avoidance of pain.
Wear to growth .Which growth are you talking about ? Horn sole frog coronet bone cartilage soft tissues. Define growth?. Are you only talking about the horn ? The body is breaking down & regenerating tissues continually. The heels are moulded by the combination of two things.. edit by k jack mac said: ↑ Wear to growth .Which growth are you talking about ? Horn sole frog coronet bone cartilage soft tissues. Define growth?. Are you only talking about the horn ? The body is breaking down & regenerating tissues continually. The heels are moulded by the combination of two things..You are like that drunk in the pub who sits there and has an opinion on everything and knowledge of nothing. You surround your text with abuse and bullying and you think it makes you clever. Personally I dont worry about you but unfortunately some do and have stopped posting in the same way they would probably drink else where if it was a pub. You have turned what should be a good evening of relaxation into something unpleasant, that is your aim and should be ignored, and I do. The sad thing is you are making people reluctant to post or even come on the site. I would forgive you if your posts were interesting informative or funny, they arnt, You are just a bully and a bore!! Say what you like you are back on my ignore list. david a hall, Yesterday at 8:51 AMEditDeleteWarnReport #95Reply Like x 2 List
I'm sorry you & others feel that way David . But that's understandable I'm not blowing nicety of hot air up their clacker when they post rubbish like this. The heels are moulded by the combination of two things. Obviously fact shouldn't get in the way of a good bit of baloney on rye.
Oh & David the heels have been trimmed to low on the hinds of that horse in your join the dots pic. Just thought I'd point that out.
WOW! What a diatribe! You pontificated the essiential fact in the first sentence. 9 1/2 out of 10 times one will find a flexural or extension issues with heel conformation, whether osteo or soft tissue issues. most "sheared heels" are a trimming problem.
Shoes are generally applied when wear exceeds growth. When a shoe is attached to the foot growth exceeds wear. I'm not sure why this is difficult to understand. So for all underun / crushed heels, trim the toe short. If that doesn't work the horse requires a multivitamin. Does that about cover it Jac?
Really JacMO, Lack of fullness in the Gaskins shows a lack of fitness in the pictured horse. They should look like Rugby footballs rather than flacid water balloons. As stated before, in which Mr. Hall didn't quote, "Horse's feet react to the pressures placed upon them". A lack of "full range of motion" creates change in the ungals........"due to a flexural or extension problem"....also don't forget the ineptness of the mechanic....
I just wanted clarity on wear . Wear being a broad term & could imply to numerous parts of the autonomy of the horse hoof
