Brian I diagree with you, well a bit Some of the people who speak the loudest and the most without posting there own work become transparent very quickly. It is almost unnecessary to even point it out. And there is more of them than just Jack. I to enjoy looking at others work and learning from it and see it as a great trade advancement.
So the philosophical questions. If you don't see and learn, then the trade does not advance? Like the tree falling in the forest makes no sound if you aren't there to hear it?
A picture paints a thousand words, a thousand words cant inspire if you are illiterate, or the written word is not your medium. The visual nature of the net is a great tool. Ordinary people posting good work ups the aspiration of others. The tree will fall as it wants, a horse shoe needs craft input and passion, some have it others want it, but all who have tried to nail a shoe to a foot will appreciate it.
You are top notch absolutely right. Your initial plan was excellent AND you are so right-owners should NOT be getting into the middle of farrier discussions. Afterall, this is a farrier forum. But I don't think you were against an owner asking a question or two from time to time. And I recall you seeing all members as important. I think every owner here sees this as common sense.
[/quote] I think so too. I don't think of it as degrading to the farrier profession. It's rude and lacks respect. I don't know of any owner here who thinks they are educated enough to be a part of a farrier conversation. It's interruptive as well. A little common sense goes a long way. Thanks, Eric
Nicely put Karen. I think people are over estimating how much we will actually post in farrier threads. I think about my time on HS and its only occasionally I wanted to query something. More often I just wanted the like button for a really nice job in everyday shoeing. How about giving it a trial for a little while. There seems to only be three of us at the moment who wants to. Any owner who comes in and gets carried away can be warned if they overstep the mark. Clear forum rules will also help.
George, it's so good that British farriers and American farriers can exchange information . It's an embarassment that the British professionals , who are here to communicate with American professionals also have to put up with these unprofessional foul mouthed wanna-be "farriers (LOL)" , that call themselves farriers. It's also noted that professional British and American farriers (most) are far more courteous and willing to share what they know because of their self confidence. I see that in farriers from all countries here, the better farriers have more self confidence and willingness to share what they know with owners, and not get their panties twisted up.
And those who did not agree with the way you wanted this forum to be-why did they join? Did they join figuring they could talk you into having things their way?
It would be nice if some of those here did not speak in terms of what May happen. Over estimating? Yes. Aside from being just a few owners here that want to post here and there, and have an owner's section to post threads in, I can't think of any owner who has gotten involved in a farrier only-type thread. In fact, the owners here are much more respectful and aware of what's not acceptable than some of the farriers. I like the points you bring up.
Someone brought up the old fights between Jaye and Patty. Those fights brought out so much knowledge, experience, theory and practical application that we should have been paying to read it. Other dust ups too. Rebuked and insulted newbies running off hurt, turning that into a challenge, and returning with improved skills. Some of them have moved into rather high end practices. Girl Farriers too, after surviving the sexist and gender related abuse. Even the most horrible Jack, put forth good info on nail fit the other day, and I believe he's the only one here offering to bake cookies for the other members. Tom likened this to a Pub where we can hang out and shoot the bull. I've been in bars with Farriers and if a horse owner over heard our conversation and wanted to join in (or one of our customers), it would have dampened the conversation. I'm sure the same thing would happen if a group of nurses, at a table in the hospital cafeteria, had a patient or family member of a patient, come over and sit down to join the "shop talk". Disclaimer: I hold Nurses at a far higher rank than Farriers. We help people take care of their luxury animals, Nurses care for and save the lives of our friends, family and us.
The fights between Patty and Jaye were what got me reading HS. Wonderful education. And it's funny how lately JackMac has been delightful here and full of sharing his knowledge. He's been more of a member than a handful of others here. Bill, let's just not bring up nurses here anymore, we can just agree to disagree about the rest. What would have dampened the conversation? Interested horse owners that hear your conversation or hear it and want to join in? From what I've seen here so far, more farriers have come to the owner section to chat, bs, joke around, etc. Allowing owners to ask a question or two in a farrier's section is a far cry from jumping in to the farrier's section inappropriately. And it would be appreciated that farriers do not post innapropriate crap in the owner's section.
I'm with you on this Bill. About 1/3 of my clients are nurses. One of my brothers is a nurse - so is his wife. OTOH, I have one client that is a chicken farmer . . . might not keep that one very long. He uses a chicken vet for his horses. Horse vet costs too much.
Or rather reason together with open minds until one of us is convinced by the other. Dose the seen I described in the hospital cafeteria make any sense at all? Would you continue "Nurse talk" with a patient there?
