Hoofcare and Lameness Magazine What's Up?

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    ray steele Administrator

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    John,

    here and probably there ,there are fairly simple legal, non lynching, ways to handle it.

    one is small claims court, you don't need a lawyer/solicitor, the offended pays a filing fee and shows up on the appointed day to state the case before the court, if your facts are in line, judgement is usually awarded along with court ordered restitution.

    I seem to remember Tom Bloomer and a few others bringing this up ,I think on horseshoes a couple of years ago, if i remember correctly, Tom had gone so long that he felt the statute of limitations were gone by, i wonder if he had acted upon it if this would still be going on and if he had proceeded , i doubt that many others would have had this dilemma.

    as to being "lynched over there" those who did the lynching would probably end up enjoying a 20 yr or more all expenses paid vacation in one of the fine Irish jails.

    There are laws to handle these type of things, here and there and if you can remember that" the wheels of justice turn exceedingly slow but they grind exceedingly fine", it's just up to the individual offended to start the wheels even though it may put them out a little .


    regards

    ray
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    john mc loughlin Member

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    we are not allowed guns over here;)
    john mc loughlin, Oct 14, 2012
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    Western Hill Forge Active Member

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    I believe I paid $95 for a two year subscription. If you were me, would you travel over 350 miles, spend the money on gas and lodging, plus fees to file a small claims suit to recoup $95? If I could file suit in in a Maine state court, it would have been done.

    If anyone can send me contact information for the Mass Better Business Bureau, I would love to file a complaint with them. I would suggest that others could do the same.

    On the old HS thread about this issue, we were informed that Ms Jurga had retained the services of a lawyer to represent her on this issue. I'm not sure what action was brought against her to cause her to do this, but my guess is that like me, most people decided that it just wasn't worth the money involved to pursue it.

    The BBB complaint seems to be a reasonable course of action at minimum. And, get the word out regarding her practices.

    What I would like most would be for her to refund my $95.

    Regards
    Western Hill Forge, Oct 14, 2012
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    Ray
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    ray steele Administrator

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    with respect John,

    if you were allowed guns over there, what would you do different in this situation?( smiley face winking both eyes together)

    Regards

    Ray
    ray steele, Oct 14, 2012
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    ray steele Administrator

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    Rick and anyone else interested following this tact:

    http://boston.bbb.org
    508 652 4800

    i got this inf by googleing

    better business bureau ma.

    if you need more help let me know and keep us informed of your actions and how it goes.

    ray
    ray steele, Oct 14, 2012
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    Western Hill Forge Active Member

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    ray steele Administrator

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    George,

    sorry man those explanations don't fly.

    If I remember correctly,some previous advertisements were worded in such a way that stated 4 issues per year, or 4 times a year,

    going bankrupt is a little different than taking money without issuing product,i think i saw someone used 2003 as a reference,9 years that approx 36 issues give or take,

    if the blog is in anyway meant to suffice the publication then the company should ask for voluntary donations vs offering issues.

    this all said , individuals need to act to protect themselves, not just p/m on the internet or street corner.

    regards

    ray

    ps. I'm offering a farriersforum.com special,

    send me 94.99, and i'll send a thank you for a 3 yr subscription to farriersforum.com, limited time offer and if you include your acct. # i'll automatically renew your subscription ahead of time , think of it 6 years for the price of 2 years, and not worth 1 year. and if you agree to pay seperate shipping and handling i mention k y jelly in my bank deposit slip. this offer is limited to cash sales only, non refundable and all those who trust me for it may not disclose anything that they do not like about it.
    ray steele, Oct 14, 2012
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    Dave Whitaker Active Member

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    Well George, I,too, was sucked into the vortex of Ms.Jurga's subscription for a magazine that has not managed to find it's way to my door (as of yet). I purchased a two year, eight issue subscription from her IN PERSON in 2003. She handed me a "current" issue at that time, smiled and said, "I hope you enjoy the rest". After never receiving anything further from her and having her repeatedly tell me that the next issue was "almost ready" on several occasions, I suspected I may have been duped. Confronting her face to face at the IHCS, her answer was, "you have access to the blog, don't you?" Sure I do, along with the other hundreds of people that didn't pay a dime..IT'S FREE!! I bought a magazine subscription, bot blog access. Wouldn't that be like paying my heating oil guy for a tank of oil and when he doesn't deliver it, he says, "you're getting your electricity, aren't you?"

    So when you say, I don't like the terms of my deal.....I am/was fine with those terms...... she never came through... fact.... other than the magazine she handed me, I have never received another issue and doubt they exist...... so, George, if you would be so kind as to do myself and the rest of us on here that appear to have been sold something that doesn't exist for anyone but you a favor??? Seeing as you have "a bunch of them sitting in another room",(referring to issues of her magazine), could you be so kind as to lay them all out and take a photograph of them so we all can see the dates of publication and request any that the rest of us "subscribers" are missing? I'm sure the upstanding person you describe will want to quickly rectify the situation. My unfilled subscription is coming upon ten years and it will be great to let Fran bring it to current status. Assuming that you're a stand up guy, George and can produce them.

    Dave

    oh Rick and Ray..thanks for the BBB link..I filed a complaint for what it's worth....
    Dave Whitaker, Oct 14, 2012
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    Rick Burten Professional farrier

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    I'm in the same boat as everyone else here. That said, I just got a great deal on the AFJ. Limited time offer, one year subscription, 75% off, so, $17.00 for eight issues.

    When it was published, I always enjoyed HC&L but I quickly learned to not hold my breath waiting for the next issue.
    Rick Burten, Oct 14, 2012
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    john mc loughlin Member

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    Rick thats about the right price for that Mag
    a hole load of nothing in it
    john mc loughlin, Oct 14, 2012
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    travis dupree reed Active Member

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    Rays very correct George.. nothing say four issues whenever I get to it... And in my area even if it did ... The law the way I see it says you have a reasonable amount of time to settle up debts and 9 years is not reasonable... On the other hand Ray I think the guys for P/M on the sites because my better half handles that kind of stuff for me ..she may order a mag or set up a clinic or what have ya for CE..then come to me and ask if I'm good with it.a bit back she came to me and said she was gonna order that mag if I wanted I looked at what it was and told her the story ..she called Bull shat..said no one would still be takin money for a mag that never comes...lol.. I told her I think she feels her blog is what u pay for and she called BS agian and said no let me read what it said... I just told her George said she and all you other guys are not understanding my better half said George is full of shit and she read what the stuff said and her and the others understanding just fine..lol.. but thanks guys for saving me 100 bucks and not have to listen to my better half raise hell when it never came..
    travis dupree reed, Oct 14, 2012
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    john mc loughlin Member

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    Would it be easier to ask who's getting the Magazine on the forum:eek:
    john mc loughlin, Oct 14, 2012
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    travis dupree reed Active Member

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    Hell I can tell you that ...no one..lol.. she has to be good looking john ..to many give her a bush bond..if it was a guy they would not take up for him...someone post a pic of her that will tell us all we need to know..lol
    travis dupree reed, Oct 14, 2012
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    Western Hill Forge Active Member

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    https://www.google.com/search?q=fra...iJYnwrQfYmYHgBg&ved=0CFEQsAQ&biw=1008&bih=412

    She also seems to be a very nice lady in person. I first met her in the late 90's, through my wife who was a marketing rep for a feed company. I have wondered if there are TWO Fran Jurgas.:p

    Regards
    Western Hill Forge, Oct 14, 2012
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    john mc loughlin Member

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    Hey with all this coverage this thing is getting
    we could start our own mag;)
    john mc loughlin, Oct 14, 2012
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    ray steele Administrator

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    John,

    i kinda tried to get that idea going in my ps of my last post, now i suppose you want editorial rights, ok ,ok, you write away and i ll not distribute, don't you worry i ll handle the money and charge you only a 110% handling fee. trust me we ll do well!

    Regards

    Ray
    ray steele, Oct 14, 2012
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    Kim Turner Master of my own domain

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    Still trying to figure this one out. Have never decided to come home from a formal engagement and start forging something.
    Kim Turner, Oct 14, 2012
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    john mc loughlin Member

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    now i think everyone got that issue
    john mc loughlin, Oct 14, 2012
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    travis dupree reed Active Member

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    Rick that pretty much sums it up...lmao.. a lot of good men have been under the spell of a sexy set of legs and a pretty smile... You bet your sweet azz if my ugly mug was doing what she does I would never be able to show my face at all the shin digs like she does... Award winning blogger one picture said..lol.. she knows damn well no farrier is gonna spend 1k to recoup 95 bucks.. that's just going farther in the whole..and hell she well over 1k of just folks on this forum money to fight it..
    travis dupree reed, Oct 14, 2012
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