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Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by ray steele, Nov 6, 2012.

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    david a hall Moderator

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    Really? We are in a service industry where a sometimes unwritten code of moral ethics keeps us busy.
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    Bill Adams Active Member

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    Actually it has been written, and can be looked up, referenced and applied.
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    david a hall Moderator

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    Indeed Bill as they are over here. Its the "sometimes unwritten code of moral ethics" that attract your clientele as indeed the lack of it will preclude you from other clients.
    Im sure that you don't choose service providers by cost alone.
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    Rick Burten Professional farrier

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    Really? Where can I view this history-making document?
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    Bill Adams Active Member

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    Well the Bible for a few lists. I think you can Google it.
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    Rick Burten Professional farrier

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    I'm not much on fiction........
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    JTFarrier New Member

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    Really? I called you out on horseshoes.com some year ago, and your still going with this stuff. Let me tell few things about your lovely nation;the ones you´re saving see you as a conquerors. and you see yourselves as athe worldpolice. god doesn´t exist and if you´ve taken your rates up everytime you said youd do so you´d take over 400 per shoeing. I think you´re pretty sad comedian.
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    Platerforge Guest

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    sad but true. some do see us as conquerors; as we see ourselves as liberators for freedom......But as Dwight Eisenhower [sp] warned us....we can not have standing military.....
    we do have a good nation...despite our flaws [which are many]; we are trying to be good people.
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    Mikel Dawson Active Member

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    Well, let's see. In the mid to late '90's we had the U.N. try to do their thing in Bosnia, only to abide by their ROE, thus the Serbs overran the U.N. troops knowing they were spineless, until the U.S. brokered a deal and in came NATO(mostly U.S. led) under pressure from the world to do something. Libya, again the world pressured a U.S. let solution. Syria - world calling - Why doesn't the U.S. step in? WWII- Europe was sucking the great green weenie until the U.S. saved the day. Cold War - without the U.S. led alliance again Europe would have been sucking hind tit. Hey, if Europe would stand up and take care of its back door- no need for U.S. If the Arab Alliance would take care of their back door, no need for U.S. I'm not saying we are perfect. I also know you can't force U.S. type of democracy on others (especially in North Africa), so get off your high horse.
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    Justin Decker Active Member

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    You can thank both of my Grandfathers and numerous other U.S. soldiers for you being able to type that response.
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    JTFarrier New Member

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    Well I have no idea why, but I´m thanking my both grandfathers everyday for fighting in winterwar( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War =) and guaranteeing the liberty of our little nation.

    I have nothing against USA and from what I´ve gathered from hs.com and here, you all are nice guys. But the stuff happening in Iraq an elsewhere isn´t about building the countries; it´s about oil which you don´t have. If my opinion is asked there´s propably going to be problems with Mother Russia sometimes in the near future.

    My comment was pointed to Bill Adams and didn´t include civil manners, but damn it, think outside the box for once.... Obama had the nobel prize and by reading the forums; no-one likes him? as a European I see him as a 1, 000 times better than mr. Bush. Obama has a lot of fixing to do.
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    JTFarrier New Member

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    ...And as a post scriptum, I want to say that I want to stay civil, but for the recent actions between my country and Russia, I´m a bit sensitive with a bigger countries .
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    JTFarrier New Member

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    In WWII, is Germany not part of Europe? Syria, Libya and Serbia; how and what effects would there been to Europa without US intervention?
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    DeniseMc Member

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    That will change as fracking proceeds here. I predict the bottled gas industry is going to radically change our dependence on foreign oil in the next ten years. I am hoping it's all done in an environmentally safe manner. Water is still our most precious resource.
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    JTFarrier New Member

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    That´s great. What ever resources can be used locally, should be used. My country is still really dependable on oil, but many new alternatives are coming( or so it seems...). Our biggest resource is wood, and that´s great because I don´t need much electricity to warm up the house.
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    Platerforge Guest

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    Wrong; USA has the largest oil reserves on the planet. we have enough oil to over throw Saudi n middle east. We are not allowed to use it; because of the EPA intervention.....also this year the EPA has ruled that water now is considered a polluter in the state of Virginia if they get their way. it has taken billions of tax dollars thur the court system to fight the EPA to be able to have a pipeline run down from Alaska to get us out of the middle east and their oil. the EPA was put in place [i think in the 1970's] when we were over polluting our water, air; but they are now out of control.
    The Russians were the ones who pushed Hitler back; and win the world over in Europe; but it was the USA who thur the A bomb put a stop to everyone.
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    Germany is part of Europe. Russia would have been on their own; and Europe would have collaped under the Nazi's; and nazism would have invaded Russia slowly but surely thur the 50's n 60's and we would have a different world in which we live in. more fear.
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    Mikel Dawson Active Member

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    Just name the reason Hussein Obama got the Nobel Prize. He got it just for being elected and being half black - nothing else, because he had done nothing else to earn the award. You need to read the time line of when nominations close for the awards, then look at the time of election and the time he took office. There is a lot of fixing to do in the country, but Hussein Obama will do nothing but run the country in the ground. He's had four years in office and still hasn't earned that Nobel Prize! If you can't figure out what the effect of WWII would have been with out the U.S. saving Europe's ass, then you need to move to a country with more sunlight in the winter so you can think straight or lay off the Vodika a bit.
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    Rick Burten Professional farrier

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    You would do better by thanking Joseph Stalin who with his purges of the ranking military officers, left an inexperienced and often incompetent officer corps to fight that war. And it was quite a victory your grandfathers won. By signing the Moscow Peace Treaty. Finland ceded 11% of its pre-war territory and 30% of its economic assets to the Soviet Union. Yep, quite a victory.:eek:

    Try again. The US ranks in the top 15 countries with regard to oil reserves, and that does not include its oil shale reserves. While POEC ranks #1, its oil reserves are largely unproven/unverified and thus rather suspect.

    So what?
    So does Yassar Arafat. :eek:

    That's because he has earned neither respect nor praise from any American with more than two operating brain cells.

    Of course you do. :( Any time you want him, come get him. Please, come get him.

    And his first term record of doing that is sooooooo outstanding........(n)
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    Rick Burten Professional farrier

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    Well, for one thing, you'd probably be speaking German or Russian.....

    That said, in order to reduce and/or eliminate our current national debt we of the USA should follow the Hessian model and charge other countries a fee for us providing them with our military forces. Lets see how long y'all last under that scenario. Far as I'm concerned you can all go pound sand. Drink it, too.

    I think that the following quote by Col. Jessep (Jack Nicholson) in "A Few Good Men" has some relevance here:

    "You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me there. We use words like honor, code, loyalty... we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it. I'd prefer you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to."

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