Other Severely crushed heels

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    david kelly Dave Kelly

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    I have a 3 yr old racing filly to shoe Mon with the above problem. I started shoeing her last Oct. First day I saw her she was sound but had Flat feet and crushed heels with kk degree race plates on shod slightly short. She has extremely upright pasterns and flat feet, I have never seen an x-ray(I will have one Monday) but quite obviously broken back pastern axis. I shod her with a size bigger regular KK es race plate and equipak and the foot improved a little, equipak was removed at next shoeing as they don't want it when racing she went on to win first two races then a cup race which qualifies her for the biggest race of the year in 6 weeks. I was home for 3 weeks at Xmas and a local guy shod her again, just before I returned, short with deg plates, I was asked to look at her last Mon she was 3 1/2 weeks shod and was lame on the RF heels are completely compressed back into the soft tissue, bulbs are extremely sore and strong pulse. I pulled off the shoes and shes now on stall rest til Mon when I have to try come up with some way of getting her back training ready for the race in 6 weeks. The whole racing calendar revolves around this race if she cant race there will be heads rolling!
    Im thinking of putting a pair of alu century supports with welded heart bar insert, there is no reaction to testers on the frog or was toying with the idea of riveting two 3 deg pads together and putting under a bar shoe to try get digital alignment, with a beveled toe form apex forward.
    There is no hoof to play with so any mechanics have to be ground into the shoe and has to be alu.
    Please keep in mind I do not have access faarrier supplies out here I cant even get aluminum bar stock.
    Anyone any ideas for getting the heat and pain out of the bulbs quickly? She was poulticed but vet thought moisture wasn't a good idea would only soften the heels more.
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    Tom Bloomer Well-Known Member

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    What about a spider plate?
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    david kelly Dave Kelly

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    Ive never used one before, have only seen photos of them I suppose I could weld one up, whats the advantage over a heart bar?
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    Tom Bloomer Well-Known Member

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    Plastic spider plate, not metal. Ray Steel makes them out of HDPE (high density polyethelene). Advantage is light weight and being able to use them with a standard racing plate instead of a bar shoe.
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    david kelly Dave Kelly

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    As i said Tom if its not here in Saudi it wont be here between now and when she races much less Monday when I have to shoe her. There is a 3 month wait at customs for freight shipped by sea at the moment and 4-5 for freight air shipped!!
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    Tom Bloomer Well-Known Member

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    Fortunately they are not patented and you could make one out of a hard plastic pad - if you can get plastic pads. You could also make one out of aluminum sheet ~1/16" thick. Drill out for nail holes, rivet to shoe. I'm not familiar with your area. Over here we have building supply stores and hardware stores. It is easy to find substitute materials. eg. a heavy duty plastic storage bin, cut out the bottom and use it. Go to a camera shop. Buy a HDPE "Pelican case," cut out the top and bottom for pads. Improvise, adapt, overcome, and charge accordingly. ;)
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    can you get Iodine 7% with dsmo solution? paint the feet with that; bulbs too; but be careful. that will pull the soreness out faster than anything else. make sure it's not a bad nail or sole pressure or a corn starting. had one that turned out to be suprurating corn. No-vibe with wedge will help too for the race. if you can get Cornocresine aka as Corona which is white cream and rub all over the coronary band and the whole foot; and Corona is so SAFE you can Pack the whole foot and wrap for the next 2-3 week ; it will grow out the foot fast and the Heels and also reducine; but you can NOT EVER EVER MIX the Iodine with Reducine!!! or have it near anthing; or will give the horse 4th degree burns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Tom Bloomer Well-Known Member

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    Yea David, can't you just rub a bunch of stuff on the foot and make it better? Don't they have vets over there to instruct the platers on horseshoeing?
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    scruggs1 Active Member

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    Those upright pastern/broken back feet are tough, and I have never seen one achieve proper HPA.

    If it is one of those where the frog is well below the bearing surface of the heels, I have seen them left barefoot overnight in a stall to come back the next day and the frog/bearing surface of the heels all be on the same level.

    Heart bar with heels floated is an option.

    If the frog is prolapsed and they don't want to leave the horse barefoot for 24hrs or so, another option for you might be to take a low/mid range full wedge, then cut it out as a rim pad but leave the area over the frog for 'support'...well in this case, it can just be called frog pressure. You may have to grind the frog part down so it is not direct pressure when you nail it up.

    You can put either the heart bar or the rim wedge/frog support on with both heels floated so they are non weight bearing. They will usually fall. When they do, take it off and float them again. Repeat this procedure as you see fit until a few days before the race, at which point, you could remove it and go back to what you had working for you before. This might let the heels fall and bulbs decompress enough to achieve soundness before the race.
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    david kelly Dave Kelly

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    Thats exact
    Thats pretty much whats taped onto the feet at the moment Scruggs kind of a t bar made out of a 3deg pad, with a second second regular three degree taped under it also, and blue im in the sulces and under the toe area of the pad I thought given the conformation that if I got some elevation id get the weight off the heels. Il make sure I remember the camera Monday.

    Linda I was thinking of reducine on the bulbs but wasn't sure have you used it before? Iodine and dsmo we have,I will ask the grooms to start painting it on tomorrow.
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    Scruggs is correct; it is that they here in the states allow you to shoe or train a horse in heartbars; don't know over there.
    also if you have some ball solution helps to.
    reducine can be put on the bulbs; but sparingly.......best to get soreness out 1st with the iodine and dmso first....then paint with reducine later for growth......you might have to basterdized Scruggs suggestions on shoeing; but he is on the money.

    ps be away babysitting.......hope you guys can behave yourselves with out me:eek::rolleyes::cry:
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    david a hall Moderator

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    David any pics? It sometimes will help them with a bigger shoe but you cant fix all horses. I have shod my fair share of race horses and it never ceases to surprise me the types of conformation that will still win despite awful feet and those that wont run an inch with great feet. sometimes I used to stick the right sized shoe on them and let them do there worse.
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    david kelly Dave Kelly

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    im going to head in to check her this morning il take pictures
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    Gary Hill Active Member

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    Well said Sir!
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    Platerforge Guest

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    I'll wait to see the pics; it will give me a better idea of what you are up against. I have had this many times at the track; from personal experience....I'll help you all I can....you only have 6 weeks to do what needs to take up to a 1 year to accomplish.....there are some short cuts; don't like them; but it a track issue.....
    well off to till Feb 5th;)
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    david a hall Moderator

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    David is a good farrier. But im relieved hes under your direct guidance.
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    david kelly Dave Kelly

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    I was in this morning and took these sorry bout the quality was on camera phone, shes not sore now when I squeeze the bulbs but still heat there. I removed the taped on pads and covered the foot in magic cushion extreme and wrapped it up. Tomorrow I'l go back remove the crappy bits of heels that descended and tape the pads on again til Mon. The foot looks much better than it did last week so I'm feeling more hopeful now. 025.jpg 024.jpg
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    david a hall Moderator

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    Have you got some half round cutters David?
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    travis dupree reed Active Member

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    Can u get floymadhide..(spell).. over there ...
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    david kelly Dave Kelly

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    I have David why what are ya thinking? Use them to cut out the heel?

    I don't know Travis I mite be able to get some, I used to get people to use it in Ireland a lot to harden up soggy feet but to be honest hadn't even thought of it for this foot but it mite be the job for it.

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