A hammered down clip is not going to create 'toe pressure'. A clip forged back into the shoe can be level, will not cause pressure and will have no adverse effect. Whilst I always cut the clip off if I need a shoe without a toe clip, I hammered one flat today for academic purposes. Tell me what here is going to cause 'pressure at the toe'? Since yours was the only negative comment, your factually incorrect comment has cost a farrier a customer. Well done.
I realize that is the norm but I have seen bent clips, and never seen one hammered flat so I would still assume horse just got lucky and bent the clip instead of puncturing the sole. Honestly unless it is forged into the shoe like Gary showed I would be uncomfortable with the practice. Maybe that's because it isn't done like that here though.
1st pic still there...it would have to perfectly forged flat into the shoe itself for it to be flat with the plane itself.
Put pressure on what, the wall? What lameness or injury would you expect from this pressure? I've gone to the truck to make shoes and come back to rocks being pressed into the wall. Most of the time when I look at someone else's shoes the inside of the web is higher than the outside and it never seems to be a problem. Personally I'd grind the clip off but I can't see how it would hurt anything if it was left on.
Put pressure on what, the wall? What lameness or injury would you expect from this pressure? I've gone to the truck to make shoes and come back to rocks being pressed into the wall. Most of the time when I look at someone else's shoes the inside of the web is higher than the outside and it never seems to be a problem. Personally I'd grind the clip off but I can't see how it would hurt anything if it was left on.
What is common practice in one country or area may not be in another. I would not call that common here, I have not seen it before. Anthony Lawrence (post 10) calls it common in New Zealand where it's difficult to buy shoes that are not pre clipped. Smitty (Ireland - post 11) says not perhaps common but he has done it. Would I do it? Not likely since it may provoke questions plus I can't imagine that I wouldn't have an un clipped shoe if I did want to set the shoe back. More importantly, is it apt to cause a problem. Not likely in my opinion so no need to be concerned about it.
I think jack says it best ..will it cause issues Naa..not mho but it will do just what it did..get a horse owner questioning what you do and how you do it..then show a pic on some sites and as we see some have seen it and some have not...its been my experience on the sites that horse owners have a made up opinion way before they log in...its rare we see a open mind asking questions...most are just looking for at least one or more to confirm what they feel...
Maybe David, Chris or Gary can answer this better than me but I suppose its down to supply and demand.......that and they're all tight as a ducks arse over there
Market forces. Too many qualified lads, not enough horses. But realistically, I think farriers in the UK are paid a fair price for what they do. If you do 5 sets a day at 60 quid a set you'd gross 75 grand a year. That's good money for what we do. It's not like we save lives, is it?
Gary what's cost of living there... How much is a say 3 bedroom home ..how much is fuel per gal.. 75 g ain't bad money here considering teachers make 30 k... RN nurse 60 ... Hell smitty knows a guy banging out a mere 390k...
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The average house price for the UK is 180k ($280) which will get you a nice 3 bed in my area but will only get you a 2 bed terrace 'down south'. Diesel is 6 quid a gallon ($10) and petrol a little bit cheaper. A steak dinner in a pub will cost you 10 quid ($16) upwards and beer is 3.30 ($4.95) a pint in my local. A loaf of bread is about a quid ($1.60) and a steak 3 quid ($5) in a supermarket. A small family car(Ford Focus) will cost you 14-20k ($22-30) depending on spec and an SUV (Ford Ranger) will cost you 20-30k ($32-50k) We also have to pay council tax on our property, which is between 1.25 and 2.ok a year. Don't forget that the 75k is gross, so you'd have to deduct your business costs and then tax and national insurance at 25% before you could bank it. But that would still leave you with, say around 40k depending on your costs, which compares favourably with the national average of 24k for what is, lets face it, not too arduous a days work (5 sets). I don't do that many - my average is more like yours Travis, and my wife describes me as 'semi-retired'!
Just did the conversion. . .60 quid is $100 depending on the exchange rate Travis. $75000 shoeing here is doing good for a single man. Throw in a family and stay at home mom and you're stretching that man Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2
