I've done a couple Vettec shoes. You have to go back and check the horse hasn't torn up the toe, as it will wear out faster.
I hope you guys know the tip usage is not because of tip control. I wasn't messing up the bead, the tip usage is because of the EXTREME HEAT from the curing process of the SuperFast. This is very important for anyone who has never done this. If you put too much on it will destroy the horses foot. The stuff cures at very high temperatures, and if you cake it all over the foot the combined heat will cook the laminae. This is why you end up using so many tips. Because you have to apply a bead or two MAXIMUM, and then you have to wait two and a half minutes for it to cure. The tips are 'mixing' tips, so the process starts inside the tip also. So as you wait for the bead or two you ran onto the foot to cure it cures inside the tip. There is no way to unplug it either. You just have to replace the tip and start again. Luckily a friend, told me about a farrier who applied the whole SuperFast shoe onto a colts foot at once. The damage was so severe it sluffed the hoof capsule from its foot. I knew this so on the first foot I was very conservative with how much I put on, a regular size bead at a time. The next foot I decided to put a little more on, two really wide beads, I almost regretted the decision, it got so hot I could not touch the product. Luckily it cooled without incident. Sorry I put caps and bold, but I don't want someone who hasn't tried this attempting to apply the entire shoe on a horses foot at once. It will burn up the foot.
Yes it is definitely not a replacement for steel or aluminum, this horse is required to do nothing all day everyday.
Is this what you are talking about? http://www.anvilmag.com/farrier/glueon.htm The stuff the SuperFast is great, and easy to apply, mixing tips are six bucks for a bag of a dozen. I just posted the previous, because if anybody tried to apply the whole SuperFast shoe with one tip, it would be a disaster.
Let me correct some things, 12 count tip bag was 11.20. So more like a dollar something a piece. I have never witnessed SuperFast damaging a horse. I have heard a warning about it. Compared to a shoes heat, the SuperFast is nothing. But it does get really damn hot and it stays that way for about two minutes. I have never met anyone that holds a hot shoe for two minutes against a foot. So I can see how although a hot shoe doesn't harm a horse, a hot shoe after two minutes certainly would.
Tejun, how hot do you think the superfast gets, temperature wise, vs the temp that a hot shoe must be to burn a hoof? I believe all must be considered, time, temp. and think of the chemical reaction of the urethane as that it rises on a curve , hits a peak and then decreases on a curve, a hot shoe approaches a hoof, lands on the hoof , and retreats from the hoof, but i m willing to bet you a stout or two that the superfast never gets to the temp of a shoe that is hot enough to burn a hoof! Now the time factor of cooking/boiling a hoof may be different............. ray
See Latent heat and thermodynamics Ray, the damage can be very reel even though it is a lower form of heat. Im not sure if its endothermic or exothermic but it can cook a foot if you use it thick enuf!! but I might be wrong.
David, I believe I understand your point/science, that is why I pointed out boiling , question is, has anyone checked it out for fact? ray
I have put some pretty chunky lumps of vettec in hoof repairs, and although heat is present, it's never caused problems. Hoof is a very poor conductor of heat and I would have thought that a bead covering the wall around the white line would probably not produce enough chemical energy for the heat to conduct through to the sensitive tissues underneath. Just my thoughts based on my experience, so I'm probably wrong...
I just called Vet Tec, for information, I was told that superfast attains between 120 f and 185 f, that put to sensitive tissue it could cause troubles. One point that the young lady said was that if a horse is allergic or may be allergic to. .......something that i have not given thought to and it makes sense that any animal might be allergic to a product. back to the temperature, if those # are accurate then the 185 f could cause a problem, a tech is supposed to call back with info as to the time sequence of temp. rise,peak and dissipation I ll pass it on Ray
What the hell has allergies got to do with it??? The substance is going nowhere near the blood stream, it's being applied to the hoof for goodness sake. For an allergic response to take place, the allergen has to enter the bloodstream and it's not going to do that through the horn of the hoof... 185 f is 85C... that's about the temp you would want your tea in the morning. The issue is not the temperature, it's the heat. We know that we can hold a shoe at several hundred degrees centigrade to the hoof without consequence because the amount of time we hold it there is not sufficient for enough heat to be absorbed by the hoof to cause damage to the internal structures. Now i'm guessing that you could stand a horse in a bowl of hot tea for some considerable time and not cause damage to the internal structures...
Who the hell drinks hot tea!! Tea should be 33 f I have heard of it damaging foals but never a horse. Perhaps it has to do with surface area to dissipate the heat. Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
Gary, I know of folks who are allergic to latex, as in latex gloves, etc. ,never coming into contact with the blood stream, heard of folk having severe allergies to peanuts and nut products, not after ingestion by mouth but being in the vicinity.............so to me it s(allergies) not out of the realm to give it consideration. I never gave the allergy theory a thought, till this woman said it, I can t say that it is true, just passing along what I was told but to me anyway it s worth a little more study. As to the 185 f, water boils here at 212f, boiling water will scald most anyone that I know , but 185 f water will scald a childs skin and probably get a red mark on some of my skin and might scald parts that have not been exposed to the weather. I thought temperature was the measurement of heat! Ray
I'm willing to bet that if you smeared peanut oil on the finger nail of someone who was allergic to peanuts it would have no affect, whilst smearing it on their skin would, because the allergens can enter the bloodstream through the skin, but not through the nail. But maybe I'd lose my money... You are correct... water at 185f (85C) spilt on a child's skin would scald them, yet we drink hot drinks at that temperature because we sip them and there is not enough heat in a sip to cause a burn, but there is in a cup full. However, we are not talking about a child's skin here, we are talking about a horse's hoof... Whilst temperature is a measure of how hot something is, it is not a measure of heat. Heat is energy and is therefore measured in Joules or watts. Take a thin sheet of foil and heat it up to 400C and drop a steak on it and the steak will not cook because the foil will cool quicker than the steak will heat. Take a half inch thick steel plate and heat it up to 2ooC and drop a steak on it and the steak will cook, that is because the steel plate holds a lot more heat than the foil even though it's at a lower temperature. Same with the vettec on the hoof, whilst it may reach 85C, I don't think there is sufficient heat in the amount of urethane present to cause damage to the hoof.
I take it gary has never seen glue im my hands..I get that shit every where ..last week I about had a panic attack got that crapnin my hair ..thought I was gonna have to cut it..I send a allergic horse in toxic shot..
