what s wrong with the nail holes and shoe shapes

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    Western Hill Forge Active Member

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    Not this time John. I shape the hoof first, then fit the shoe to it, but his point was if you can read the foot and visualize what it should look like, you can shape the shoe that way, THEN trim the hoof to it's proper shape, and you will end up with the same result. Think about it. If A = B, then B has to = A.

    Just thinking outside the box a little.:)

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    Western Hill Forge, Apr 7, 2014
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    brian robertson Active Member

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    Rick, if you have chosen the correct shoe, shaped it so the nail holes sit over the white line there shouldn't be any hoof hanging off the shoe.
    brian robertson, Apr 7, 2014
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    Jack Evers Active Member

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    An old timer used to complain that Diamond shoes were designed for the machines that made them, not for the horse.
    Jack Evers, Apr 7, 2014
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    Jack Evers Active Member

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    I once loaned a hunting horse to another farrier, but made him shoe it before he took it. He shaped the shoe to the white line, nailed it on, then dressed the foot. Actually had a pretty good job. For Smitty, hunting horse here is to get you back into the mountains where the elk are and to pack your elk out. Jumps, foxes and hounds aren't part of the deal.
    Jack Evers, Apr 7, 2014
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    ray steele Administrator

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    Bud Beaston, Oklahoma Farrier College, taught folk to set up ranch horses in a similar method with Diamond shoes, slicks on front heels behind.

    Regards
    Ray
    ray steele, Apr 8, 2014
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    Mikel Dawson Active Member

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    That's the way we did horses in the Salmon country, except because of working in the granite we welded borium so the shoes would last longer than two or three weeks.
    Mikel Dawson, Apr 8, 2014
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    ray steele Administrator

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    Kylek,

    to attempt not hijacking Stefs thread on nail hole placement ,in which you asked if nails seat well in drilled holes i m attempting to answer you here.

    the hole accepts the shank, the head is what i look too seat, usually in a crease,rim, counter or other such depression,
    if the counter allows the base of the head to reach the top of a drilled or punched hole and the nail material is softer than the shoe material then the base of the nail head will form to the hole, round or rectangle,

    now seating of the sides of the head will depend much more on round or rectangle shape in my opinion.

    the point was to state that hole placement is and should be decided by the driver of the nails, not by the manufacturer of the shoe and is not limited to the manufacture of the shoe, be it hand made ,factory made or picked up in the back of the garage,

    regards

    ray
    ray steele, Apr 30, 2014
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    KyleK Member

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    Thanks for taking the time to explain. I appreciate it, for some reason I had something completely different pictured in my mind. But it makes perfect sense now.

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    KyleK, Apr 30, 2014
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    Clint Burrell Active Member

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    I use square drill bits.

    You have to make them yourself.

    Be sure to use an old drill, they don't hold up well under the hammer.;)
    Clint Burrell, Apr 30, 2014
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    KyleK Member

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    [IMG]


    Like this bad boy?

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    KyleK, May 1, 2014
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    ray steele Administrator

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    Since using a drill in creating a nail hole produced such a buzz.......

    i ll just mention that i have a farrier customer who has been drilling his nail holes for at least 20 years, even his factory made shoes that come with the nail holes get drilled. folks who don t , always mention that it s a crazy idea, this man has a high end clientele, and is pretty highly thought of for his shoeing abilities.

    ray
    ray steele, May 2, 2014
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    KyleK Member

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    I dont doubt that, if people use it and it works. Just something I wasnt aware of is all. Everyone has different ways of doing things and learning what others use and what works and doesnt work for them only makes you a better farrier.

    So I am glad I asked! Learned something new!

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    KyleK, May 2, 2014
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    ray steele Administrator

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    Clint,

    i ve been wondering and wondering, how do you get them to go round, ....or is that a whole nuther essay?

    ray
    ray steele, May 2, 2014
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    ray steele Administrator

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    KyleK,

    that s the idea,

    thanks

    ray
    ray steele, May 2, 2014
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    david a hall Moderator

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    I have learned something... I will make a shoe next week and drill the nails holes and report back... I may well drill it on the straight bar for pitch...
    david a hall, May 2, 2014
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    gary evans old and slow

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    A farrier I talked to told me that he liked to seat out the drop forged shoes that he used because it created pitch on the nail holes that came with none - I guess the same technique would work with drilled nail holes.
    gary evans, May 2, 2014
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    shoe'em Member

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    Unless the hoof wall is a bit thin? I try to set the shoe so the nail holes follow the white line and end up with a bit more shoe hanging out than I would like. Safeing off helps I suppose.
    shoe'em, May 3, 2014
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    Western Hill Forge Active Member

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    Might be better to chose a different shoe, or modify the one you're using.

    Regards
    Western Hill Forge, May 3, 2014
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    Clint Burrell Active Member

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    Ray,
    They don't go round.

    That's why the drill doesn't hold up under the hammer.
    Clint Burrell, May 9, 2014
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    Clint Burrell Active Member

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    Kyle,

    They don't make those small enough. You can still use the 1/4" one but then you need to make your own nails.:(
    Clint Burrell, May 9, 2014
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