what s wrong with the nail holes and shoe shapes

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    KyleK Member

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    KyleK, May 10, 2014
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    The head of Farrier Services at Cornell University found a $12 box of size 8 copper rivet burrs — just like the rivets you use to put pads on — and tried a little experiment.

    “I put these little copper washers on the nails and I drove them in,” Kraus recalls. “They sleeve right around the head. It’s just like a little bushing. The rivet burr will fold up right around the head. It’s quick and easy to do. Now I don’t have to upsize the nail. Or once they get past size 10, I can’t upsize the nail; the head doesn’t get larger past size 10.”

    A size 8 rivet burr can be used with a #8-10 regular head nail. While a size 12 washer will work with smaller nails such as a #5 city head or a #5 slim blade. The copper burrs also can be used on hand-forged gaited shoes, he says.
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    You guys dont make your own nails!? :O
    KyleK, May 10, 2014
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    word is that the man shoeing California Chrome is drilling the nail holes..........wonder if it is the round or square bit that he is using? .....and C Chrome ain t a gaited horse.

    Ray
    ray steele, Jun 1, 2014
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    KyleK Member

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    I heard C Chrome was shod with glue ons. He had drilled the holes as this was his personal preferance

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    KyleK, Jun 1, 2014
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    Western Hill Forge, Jun 1, 2014
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    Kylek,

    as Rick Shepherd pointed out an article that states that the shoes are manufactured to be glue ons,but that the farrier drills the holes,and nails them up, not using the glue or gloves.

    I found it interesting since a # of folk can t seem to get their head round to the idea that " square pegs sometimes fit into round holes" with results ... no matter what we as individuals take as gospel!

    Rick,thanks for bringing up the story and reference.

    regards

    Ray
    ray steele, Jun 1, 2014
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    Tom Bloomer Well-Known Member

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    Ray, maybe round holes are better on horses with white feet. :rolleyes:
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    What about the nails shearing for starters
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    huh?

    ray
    ray steele, Jun 2, 2014
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    What does huh mean ray?
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    chris bunting Well-Known Member

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    putting a steel nail through soft ally or plastic is one thing but the nail will shear in any thing steel making it weak where it needs to be at its strongest IMO
    chris bunting, Jun 2, 2014
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    the way i used it was " i don t understand your question" nor what do you mean bout the nails shearing for starters.
    ray steele, Jun 2, 2014
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    smitty88 Well-Known Member

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    I was passing coment on round holes ray , I know a lad that use to drill all his plates with round holes it dident go well
    smitty88, Jun 2, 2014
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    Chris,

    as has been stated several times, but i ll tell again ,based upon what a farrier friend/customer does and several others, the rotary pritchel(drill) is sent thru the steel or ali. . the holes is all ready countersunk, or is in a crease or rim, according to my friend the head now can be driven deep enough that probably it fills the hole thus taking any pressure off the shank as far as the shoe is involved, no matter the material! I ve done it without problems, don t do it everyday, AND, it seems some other folk have used the method with some success!

    As a friend of mine says in cases like this, Think about it, it might come to you! and if not, don t use it.


    Regards

    Ray
    ray steele, Jun 2, 2014
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    ray steele Administrator

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    that s interesting, course some of the results of any endeavor depends upon application, as I said , that I know a man that drills all his nail holes , has been doing it for 25 plus years, honestly I can tell you that he doesn t car what brand of nails he gets cause when the nail is driven the shank is only asked to hold the shoe up to the hoof, the seated lower end of the head is what is against the shoe material.

    further,I wonder if C Chromes farrier/plater would change his method at this point knowing that your man couldn t make it go well?

    it has been my experience that what works for one may not work for another, even if it doesn t work for me, i like hearing bout others methods........just in case
    ray steele, Jun 2, 2014
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    Tom Bloomer Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't blame the rotary pritchel for the operator's lack of skill in applying it. ;)
    Tom Bloomer, Jun 2, 2014
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    Ray im talking fresh round nail holes in steel plates mostly 5/8 x 1/4 concave
    smitty88, Jun 2, 2014
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    i/anyone would not know that until/unless you told us! that said, what size nail, what size hole etc.
    ray steele, Jun 2, 2014
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    Why would your nails sheer?

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    KyleK, Jun 4, 2014
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