Other Evaluate exrays?

Discussion in 'Farrier Advice For Horses With Lameness Issues' started by Rocksie, Jan 12, 2014.

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    My horse moves like a horse with sore front feet. Can you see a cause in the pictures? Thanks so much for your time.

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    Rocksie Member

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    The last two are the right front. The vet mistakenly labeled all the views as left.
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    Michael Allen Champion spokesman for UK toolmaker!

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    broken back axis. looks to be ready to be reshod
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    Gary Hill Active Member

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    Broken back and toes way too long...COA isn't even 50-50..
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    Michael Allen Champion spokesman for UK toolmaker!

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    could have the start of sidebone on the left. odd the whole hoof is not in the shot
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    Michael Allen Champion spokesman for UK toolmaker!

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    is our horse toed in?
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    Rocksie Member

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    Thanks so much for your replies.

    Michael, he actually toes out a little, and yes, it's aggravating to pay for exrays that crop part of the picture. I questioned the vet about it, got nothing.

    COA/center of articulation? When you say it isn't even 50/50, Gary, what do you mean?

    Are the long toes the only problem you all are seeing?
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    Tom Bloomer Well-Known Member

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    Those xrays certainly look like a horse with sore feet. Low palmer angle. Thin soles. Dished dorsal wall. Seriously short shod. Are those racing plates?

    Sloppy photography on the par of the vet. Did you get a diagnosis? What did the vet do in the lameness exam BEFORE taking xrays? Gait analysis? Hoof testers? Did the vet take a full history?
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    david a hall Moderator

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    I don't think I would need X-rays to make an improvement to this horse.
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    Rocksie Member

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    Yes, Tom, he's a racehorse and he's shod with race plates. He doesn't react to hoof testers applied by his shoer, and I didn't ask the vet for a lameness exam. The diagnosis from the pictures was low heels and sidebone, though the sidebone wasn't causing pain in her opinion. Actually, she couldn't see any definitive cause for lameness.

    Thanks, David, I believe you wouldn't.

    I'll take pictures tomorrow and see what you all think. Thanks very much!
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    Tom Bloomer Well-Known Member

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    You mean he WAS a race horse.
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    Rocksie Member

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    Chester 003 sized.jpg Chester 004 sized.jpg Chester 014sized.jpg View attachment 4730 Chester 001 sized.jpg
    The pictures aren't good. If you think they're useless, I can get someone to hold him for me tomorrow and redo them. Thanks for looking.
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    brian robertson Active Member

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    Rocksie Member

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    Oregon, Brian.
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    Michael Allen Champion spokesman for UK toolmaker!

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    I think in the future I would use more nails
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    Zach's Horseshoeing Member

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    Looks M/L out of balance to me look at the coffin joint spacing
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    Zach's Horseshoeing Member

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    Looks M/L out of balance to me look at the coffin joint spacing
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    david a hall Moderator

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    Zach the foot is on a block and unloaded, there is slight angle on the X-ray. Pick up the other leg and you won't get a piece of paper between either side of the joint.

    Rocksie the pics are perfect. The shoeing backs up the X-rays as it would. Always difficult to know what to say, it may be easier to find a new farrier than get this guy to improve. The horse looks straight forward enough, just needs the toe back. If there are a few fRriers in the area then get a new one because the fit nailing and clenching are well below average.
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    Thanks, Zach, for your input.

    Thank you, David. He did have his weight on the foot. He was standing with both feet on the blocks. Could have been the ground wasn't perfectly level though?

    I know the shoer isn't very good. He's self taught, and had a mentor or two, I think, which is alright, but he hasn't made use of all the information available to him nowadays and I'm pretty sure he's not going to. It's a shame. He's a very nice person, and where I'm at, the least bad farrier I've found so far. Which is amazing and highly concerning, considering the extremely demanding work racehorses do.

    I'm going to pull my horse's shoes, trim him, and see what happens. I might have the guts to post pictures afterwards. It depends.
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    Gary Hill Active Member

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    The widest part of the hoof is usually very close to where you will find the true COA that and the DIJ.. the shoe should be 50-50 at that point..on the bottom photo you can use that last nail to place the COA on that foot and you can see how much of that shoe is forward of that..hope I describe it well enough for you?

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