Other Hind Fetlock Brushing/Interference

This 4 yo has never touched before but began doing so after a 3 mths rest so I can only put it down to a balance error as it's bilateral & exhibits no signs of back/hindquarter tenderness. The farrier came & readjusted, to no avail, so I'm using boots for protection in spite of the fact they tend to rub with the track sand.
On close inspection, he's worn the outside branch of both plates far more than the inside in 2 wks despite the coronet band looking even all around. The horse is slightly base narrow for which Doug Butler advises lowering the medial wall.
I appreciate pics tell a thousand words & hoof in hand is even better but very much look forward to any helpful (hopefully ) input .

Hard to do "gait analysis" over the Internet. Does the horse interfere at the walk? Can the horse stretch it's hind legs out behind itself without discomfort (range of motion)? Does the horse twist its hind legs when they are loaded (hock wringing)? Does the horse plant its hind feet inside past its center line at the trot? Does the horse interfere behind at speed when barefoot? How much stretching, warmup does the horse get before working at speed?

I'm pretty sure it's only when trotting & no hock twist/wringing at all. Appears tight behind for shoeing/trimming/picking feet - could be a habit, dunno. Haven't checked trotting/centreline so will try to remember to check tomorrow. Never touched when bf, I was doing the trimming then but in 2 other (previous) shoeings, he never hit. When he was bf behind, he had recurring lumbar/sacral soreness (treated with AC) but never interfered despite it. He IS a bit lighter in condition this time (was a bit too fat) so would be less muscle perhaps, between the hinds. Warms up 1/2hr on the auto walker as he has in past preps. Many thanks for your reply & hope I've filled in some gaps.

Is he a Thorobred? Standardbred - Trotter? Pacer?

Based on history, lumbar/sacrum is a possible culprit. Sometimes just pulling shoes for a few weeks on a lighter work load and letting the feet wear how they want will tell you a lot about the back end of a horse.

check the hocks, stifles, and also the jack cords.........a lot over look the jacks in a horse.....just under the hocks.
have a vet come out and look at it

Thanks guys for all your responses & apologies for stupidly omitting the fact he's a TB in his 3rd prep with the intent to race this time having been mentally very babyish previously & encountered shin soreness (1st prep) then niggly joints (2nd) followed by a paddock accident in which he badly jarred a knee requiring the 3mths rest.
He has a huge overstride at walk & tracks up perfectly trotting as well as being a very happy/comfortable horse at this stage so I'm certain it's simply a minor medio/lateral imbalance because he only just nicks the joint on both sides & can be a bit 'looky' which can cause a rear end lack of coordination! The fact he's worn both outside branches noticeably more than inners surely implies an imbalance but the $64 question is: which side is too high or vice versa?
Knowing the repercussions these issues can have, thoughout the body, I'll contact my farrier & see when he can sqeeze him in again

get his hocks checked out. he is pounding his outside heels a little.....2 things.....put on a sticker in the back. it will open him up on the hind end....or wedge him up a little....depends if has heel or not in the back. needs to be 2* higher in the back to keep them comfortable. lower the inside from 1st nail hole to 3rd nail hole only for now make sure the heels are even and underneath him...he might be cutting himself going around the turn; so you might have to do a block and sticker....even though used mainly on a sloppy track....
remember:.....any block heels can and will make a horse jam up and be sore after a while; be careful in using it. check out the track conditions in all types of weather. try the turf training if possible. see if hits then......so many factors involved without pics and looking at the horse.

Suggest you get the balance right and maybe try a lateral extension in a steel concave shoe. Just plate him to race.

Would guess he probably works head in the air. If you have a rider that can do it, lots of trot work with the head down would probably help to.

before you do anything Fancy, I suggest you get the Farrier to balance his feet, and get him back into fitness then take it from there. being lazy or unfit, which sounds like it, coming back from a long rest, could cause Brushing.

that's what a sticker is!!!!!!!!! for training and racing

I think o p is australian. In which case stickers are not permitted for racing.

All this talk about balance . . . and you've never seen the horse.

then take a wedge plate.....have more stock in the shoe.....and kick it out like a lat.ext. trailer; and put an inside trailer; fit tight.

trainer wants results.......they don't care about balance ect......plater has to figure that out

We have not seen a clip of horse moving. We have not seen photos of the shoeing. I do not believe that my basic questions as to is he a TB or a STB and if a STB is he a trotter or a pacer have been answered. Is it not absurdly premature to be giving advice?

he did answer ......he is a 3 yr TB on the track

My error. Thanks.

So his conditioning is somewhat suspect, right? Add too that the numerous issues presented, and it is quite possible that they have all conspired to create this situation.

Well there ya' go. Get that sorted out and the problem may just go away. Until then, work him in intereference boots.

My impression is that he's trying to shorten the height of the lateral wall. He may also be trying to tell you that he's sore in the stifles. At this point in time, I wouldn't be adding any modifications to the shoes that create traction/torque on one side but not the other.

Unfortunately my lengthy update y/day has been lost to cyberspace via the forums' server ........c'est la vie!!!! Suffice to say the problem is his sacro which has been injected & will likely need 6wkly topups but he was a much happier horse today. I received this reply via email:
Thelwell, Tom Bloomer replied to a thread you are watching at Farriers Forum.
Other - Hind Fetlock Brushing/Interference


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Didn't I say something about . . .
Tom Bloomer
Based on history, lumbar/sacrum is a possible culprit. Sometimes just pulling shoes for a few weeks on a lighter work load and letting the feet wear how they want will tell you a lot about the back end of a horse.
. . . like 6 weeks ago?

Many thanks Tom, you did indeed There's no 'clap' hands smiley