Other Horse with Laminitis: Shoeing opinions

Discussion in 'Farrier Advice For Horses With Lameness Issues' started by ex1730, Jan 20, 2013.

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    ex1730 New Member

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    We have a now 4 yr old App that had an episode of laminitis in the fall. We are not sure what caused it.. no feed changes, wasn't in work etc. He does have some rotation in the RF. I can't remember what the % of rotation was at this time but our vet said it was a very minor rotation. We switched farriers and this is the first time out for the new farrier. I'm going to include previous photos (about 6 wks out and had pulled both of his shoes). The previous farrier was having him reset every 4 weeks. The new farrier wants us to try 8 weeks but if we feel he should come out before then to call him out earlier. He was also paddling a bit with the right front so he was trying to correct some of that also.

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    Tom Bloomer Well-Known Member

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    Is this the work of the best farrier in your area?
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    ex1730 New Member

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    Its hard to say.. The previous farrier was recommended to us by one of the better equine clinics in our area but we were concerned with what was going on with his feet. We felt that his toes were incredibly long, there was a pretty big dish in the foot that wasn't be addressed and we felt was getting worse. He was being reset every 4 weeks and it really looked like there was a huge amount of toe left each time.We ended up switching vets about 2 yrs after the original farrier was recommended (the first farrier was recommended to do hospital plates for a previous problem with a hind foot). So the new vet is the one who saw him for the xrays and diagnosis for laminitis. She was not happy with the work being done by first farrier and suggested we try someone else (we had been thinking of this before she said anything, she did not recommend the new farrier, just said try him and see if it is any better).
    The new farrier was trying to fix his angles in the front because I guess there was a big difference from left to right, he tried to address the dishing, and I think he took off more toe. He said it would take a while to get things right (understandably). He was also concerned with how much bar was left on the foot. There was bruising on both fronts and on the LF there was a spot where the sole was very thin. Sorry if this is confusing!
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    david a hall Moderator

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    I find this very hard to say but that is truly awful shoeing. But I think you know that. The shoe doesnt fit and the nails are huge for that size of foot. I wouldnt like to say what caused your laminitic episode.
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    Tom Bloomer Well-Known Member

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    Ok, so far you are talking about mostly cosmetic stuff. Big question, Is the horse sound?
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    Tom Bloomer Well-Known Member

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    What if this is a good as it gets? Some areas just will not support better.
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    david a hall Moderator

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    That would concern me.
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    ex1730 New Member

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    He had been barefoot for roughly a week or so since losing the other shoe and during that time we went from mud to frozen and as of yesterday morning he was lame. I'd say after the shoeing he was atleast 80% better. I wanted to check him out today but the weather is bad so I didnt check him. I plan on trying to get a video somewhat soon and will try to post that when I am able too. I don't think he has been 100% sound yet. Moving significantly better at times but not 100% sound since the incident.
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    Michael Allen Champion spokesman for UK toolmaker!

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    Where do you live?
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    aliciathompson Member

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    Sorry Tom I don't like to disagree but in this instance on a laminitic hoof I disagree these issues are cosmetic.
    The shoe set forward of the toe on a obviously distorted, laminitic hoof is just going to perpetuate more of the same, and nails that large in an already compromised hoof is totally unnecessary. If he pulls these shoes like his last ones with clinches and nail shanks that large he is going to lose a lot of hoof that he needs for capsular integrity.

    Where are you? Surely one of us will know someone in your area that can provide what those hooves need.
    Some horses may be able to get by with that kind of work but your horse already has issues you need better work than that.
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    Tom Bloomer Well-Known Member

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    I responded to the FACTS available in what she wrote instead of ASSuming that the pictures tell the whole story. Her only complaints at this point were "angles" and "paddling." Neither of those are symptoms of lameness.

    Pointing out the faults in the picture are not going to help the horse.
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    Eric Russell Active Member

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    It appears to be some of the crudest work I've ever seen and I wouldn't want this guy working on my horse.

    Fortunately or unfortunately it appears the finished job is an improvement on what he started with.
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    Platerforge Guest

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    Unfortunately, this is a typical AMERICAN shoeing job here in the states!!!

    Crippling horses thur shoeing here in the states is the new norm!!!!!
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    Western Hill Forge Active Member

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    I see a lot of shoeing jobs from around the state and New England. I don't think this shoeing is typical of what I see. Maybe the standards are lower where you live Linda?

    Regards
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    Rick Burten Professional farrier

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    Really? According to whom? Please be specific.

    Mushroom fertilizer/Spucatum Tauri. Are we to take from this that this alleged 'new norm' is your norm too?
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    Platerforge Guest

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    yes
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    Platerforge Guest

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    I won't even reply to that comment...specially since you know better than that.
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    Eric Russell Active Member

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    LOL, I just assumed she was speaking for herself! :ROFLMAO:
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    Michael Allen Champion spokesman for UK toolmaker!

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    Linda that might be 1 of the dumbest things I've ever read. please don't feel like you ever need to speak for all the horsshoers in the country. if the work done in your area is that bad, you should be excited because you'll never need to look for work it will be knocking down your door. actually we don't know how good your work is you have never shown us
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    Platerforge Guest

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    your funny; but Eric you are an exceptional horseshoer and blacksmith.....your work speaks volumes of the excellence in the shoeing world. I wish everyone wanted to be as exceptional as you.

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