Deniox shoes

Discussion in 'Shoeing Horses with Lameness Issues' started by Zach's Horseshoeing, Feb 19, 2013.

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    Zach's Horseshoeing Member

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    So what do yall think of the deniox shoe??

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    Gary Hill Active Member

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    Whats the new Fad this week?
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    Zach's Horseshoeing Member

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    I don't kno if its a fad just alot of vets rec amending them

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    david kelly Dave Kelly

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    Which one are they recommending he has a few difernt types designed
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    Gabino Active Member

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    Jean Marie Denoix don't make shoes. A fabric of shoes makes ortopedic shoes with the advices of Denoix,like Jim Blurton's shoes,Jim Poor¡s tools,etc. In the trade there is the same shoes more cheaps than Denoix's shoes.

    This shoe for the suspensor ligament disease, Denoix tell him "Suspensorix" (Asterix and Obelix reference),but Colleoni sales him 30% more cheaps.You can forge him too.The "Denoix issue" is an concept of shoeing,not one mark of shoes.
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    Gary Hill Active Member

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    That one heel doesn't look covered like the other, and I seem to have better luck with support behind the bulbs with suspensory issues? Eggbars work well for me..what do they feel works with all the alum up front? Thanks for your rely.
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    brian robertson Active Member

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    Denoix's theory is to float the toe (holding it on top of the ground) and allowing the heels to sink in.
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    Platerforge Guest

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    I have a client that has collateral ligament damage........I wanted to put the Denoix Collateral ligament shoe on and a Denoix flat plate on the other foot. the vet [who is excellent and top in the field around here] is in agreement with me; but the new shoer where the horse has gone for rehab; is not so sure.
    he take on this shoe is:-- it is that it depends on the footing and that the wider side can jam up the joints on the outside with this shoe;
    anyone have any takes on this??? he not a fan of this shoe. not sure why?
    I am not sure; since I will be 2nd shoer on this now. this gentleman is a top farrier too, and I respect his knowledge; so I want to go down and consult with him in a few weeks
    Anyone have used these shoes and can tell me what to look for?
    with this knowledge and what the farrier says and the vet says; will give me a good understanding on what I will be dealing with; when this horse comes home to me to aftercare.
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    Platerforge Guest

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    is the horse sound? and why this choice of shoe? what was the lameness?
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    aliciathompson Member

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    Hey Gary maybe you can explain why eggbars work for suspensory injuries in your cases.
    I understand why they would help flexor issues but I just cannot see the rational for using them on an injured suspensory.

    I have a jumper in them now that has an old healed suspensory injury and he has been in egg bars ever since. I have just been maintaining him in these because he came in them but I can't help suspecting they really are not helping anything, and to be honest my understanding of suspensory issues is allowing the heels to sink and toe to float is more protective. (heels sink down in the footing allowing the pastern to stay up(keeping the fetlock at a more closed/acute angle) shifting stress at full exertion to the flexors off the suspensory)
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    Gary Hill Active Member

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    Was instructed my Al Pinson that way and has always proven very helpful..you have to remember that some of the vets around here call for wedges and that to me seems to put more pressure on the suspensories across the pasterns. They will bulge when the heels are risen...I do really roll or even put a square toe on some cases with a low hoof capsule to start with..ie long toe low heels..If you can get your eyes on some photos of limbs under complete load where the pasterns are level with the ground and the shapes of the hoof capsules it gives me a better idea of the stress spots under load?. I will add that the condition of the ground , whether deep sugar sand, or blackland hard as concrete..
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    aliciathompson Member

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    Raising heels for suspensory injuries should cause issues because it shifts the strain off the ddft onto the suspensory ligament. That is sort of why I don't get why eggbars are ever recomended in theory they sould do the exact same thing when a horse is in motion.

    I am going to expland on why the eggbar thing confusses me. Give additional float to the back of the hoof and you reduce the limbs ability to disipate force by allowing the heels to sink. If they cannot sink the coffin bone and hoof stay upright, yet that energy still moves down but now it is transfered to the next place that can flex which is the pastern so as a result it drop closer to the footing, causing the branches of the suspensories to be pulled tight, basically creating the exact oposite of what we should be doing to protect a suspensory ligament.

    Maybe I need to watch videos of full extension on soft vs hard footing to see why eggbars are used.
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    Gabino Active Member

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    Gary you are enough time in the forums for to distinguish a bad camera angle than a bad fix shoe.Do you believe I could fix a shoe whit uncovered heel?(n)
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    Gabino Active Member

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    Not..the horse is lame,of course. I never fix a ortopedic shoe in a sound horse. The horse has desmitis of medial branch of suspensory ligament. The shoe is recommended for Jean Marie Denoix for this disease type.
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    Platerforge Guest

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    maybe use on of these shoes?.............they can made to out of steel as well.
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    david kelly Dave Kelly

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    That would be one hell of a toe weight if ya made it in steel though
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    Gary Hill Active Member

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    I can see you have attempted to widen that one heel but looking at the central sulcus, is it the camera angle?
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    chris bunting Well-Known Member

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    not if you use light steel lol
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    smitty88 Well-Known Member

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    yes i would agree with Gary
    also the shoe aint plum on the foot
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