back pritchelling

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    Eric Russell Active Member

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    I'd rather take some time working on shoe fit than drill nail holes for 25 yrs.

    Eric Russell
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    ray steele Administrator

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    jissus,
    that could get deep!

    Ray
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    brian robertson Active Member

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    If you're stacking pads, of course you should rotary back punch, but with flat shoes, why?
    brian robertson, Apr 10, 2013
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    ray steele Administrator

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    Brian,

    I asked that very question once once, he gave what I thought was a great answer,something along the lines of..................................cause it works for me.......,I still have no reply, nor argument! but I still hear people question it. guess it doesn't /wouldn t work for them, or they haven t found the need,

    Ray
    ray steele, Apr 10, 2013
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    Eric Russell Active Member

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    Ray, what about that answer did you think was great?

    Sounds like another farrier who hasnt the slightest idea why he's doing what he's doing.

    Eric Russell
    Eric Russell, Apr 10, 2013
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    ray steele Administrator

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    Eric,

    sounds to me like a farrier who has found something that works for him! knowing this guy pretty well, if it didn t work he'd be trying more and different.....he d call you,cold, if he thought it would produce an answer, this man shoes for and get s paid for results. and he produces!

    would you suggest that he change because..............Eric or someother hoofcare provider doesn t like the way he does things he does things even thou they work for him and his customers?


    To me the point is that there may be more than one way to get things done, I appreciate that a teacher such as John emphasizes a method, in sports or the military it is summed up as ,what you practice is what you will do in the game or the fight, practice sloppy and you will probably perform sloppy, but in trying to converse to the question of the thread, I m providing information, not judgement.

    Ray
    ray steele, Apr 10, 2013
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    smitty88 Well-Known Member

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    Ray tell me why you need to back pritchel
    when making hand-mades?
    smitty88, Apr 10, 2013
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    ray steele Administrator

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    John,

    to clean up a nail hole that I misplaced or undersized, or to allow for some more pitch, is/are why I have back punched/pritcheled.

    Ray
    ray steele, Apr 10, 2013
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    smitty88 Well-Known Member

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    We do things different ray
    smitty88, Apr 10, 2013
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    Eric Russell Active Member

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    If I were the customer I would be very concerned if a farrier was doing something to my horse without having any idea as to why he is doing it.

    I would suggest when the answer to a question is because, somebody take a minute and try using that thing above the shoulders.

    I dont see (because) being a great answer to any question. Not sure what you learned by that answer to make you think it was a great answer.




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    ray steele Administrator

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    no doubt

    Ray
    ray steele, Apr 10, 2013
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    ray steele Administrator

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    Well Eric, I thought it was a great answer because he told it to me, I believed it and I ve not heard much complaints bout this mans work. Since he answered me that way and did not give a long explanation I figure that was what he felt answered my question, for all I know he may not know anymore than , simply it works. I ve tried it and it worked for me, but I ve not felt the need to do it, if I had some problem related I might try it if i thought it might get the job done. The fact that the question was answered "because it works" to me does not take away from the process, it s just info

    I ll be sure to keep in mind your higher standard of interragation when I m attempting to pick their brains!

    Ray
    ray steele, Apr 10, 2013
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    gary evans old and slow

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    I guess it's this that got me thinking about back pritchelling. Like I said, I was always told it was a big no no and consequently only do it when I need to recover a nail hole that I have stuffed up somehow. Yet I can never remember a case where, when I went back to the shoe after 8 weeks thinking, 'oooer... what's happened there? Oh yeah, now I remember, that's the one I back pritchelled.'

    Out of interest today, I punched a couple of holes in some concave, some as normal and some back pritchelled. When I felt around inside with the point of a nail for differences, they felt pretty much the same.

    What we need is Christos with his microscope! :)
    gary evans, Apr 10, 2013
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    Jack Evers Active Member

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    Back to the original question, I tried it a few times when it seemed to be getting popular. I found if I wasn't happy with a nail hole, back punching it didn't make me any happier and today I'll go back to the forge and rework it from the proper side - likely using both my head stamp and pritchel. Or I might just not use that particular hole.
    Jack Evers, Apr 10, 2013
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    david a hall Moderator

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    I made my back stabber at college when I was 16, I still use it now, to clear stuff out of nail holes when refiting shoes and putting a bit of pitch on machine mades. It is like me now a bit worn out, I think we will retire together. :D
    david a hall, Apr 10, 2013
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    gary evans old and slow

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    'back stabber'!
    hahaha great name for it.
    gary evans, Apr 10, 2013
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    david a hall Moderator

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    Are you watching Saudi on 2?
    david a hall, Apr 10, 2013
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    gary evans old and slow

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    Nah... Just got in from steak and ale pie and a couple of pints of London Glory and feel like a snooze.
    I was thinking of you... hope the thesis is going well! :cool:
    gary evans, Apr 10, 2013
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    smitty88 Well-Known Member

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    You could always punch your nail holes from the foot surfice
    just to save yourself time back pritcheling:(:D
    smitty88, Apr 10, 2013
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    Western Hill Forge Active Member

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    I think Eric once said that he thought too much emphasis is placed on nail fit. Sorry if I'm mis-remembering this Eric. I had been thinking that same thing for years. Still thinking about it.

    I can see where it could be a measure by which to judge a contest shoe, but as a practical matter I haven't noticed that it makes much difference as long as there is nail surfaces and hole surfaces are touching every where, and the nail head isn't below the surface of the shoe, or too far above it.

    I'm pretty sure the horse doesn't care.

    Yes, I try to make every nail hole perfect, but of course I don't, and sometimes back pritcheling will fix a bad fit. If the hole comes out too big, the only fix I've found is to make another hole.

    On the other hand, I watched a highly rated competitor once pound a nail into an oversized hole in a plain stamped shoe, flux and reheat the shoe, weld the nail in, and re-punch the hole. You couldn't tell that it had ever been done.

    Regards
    Western Hill Forge, Apr 15, 2013
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