Now I need to buy a band wagon! to put the custom leather panties on and or a pair of chaps, I can hear Bunting drooling now, but it does give me a marketing idea, instead of marking pads by the 4R,6R nomenclature , ......4 R will now be available as a pair of 36 Cs, 4 heavy as 36Ds etc.. just think of what Chris could do with a pair of those... better yet, let him think bout it Ray