Discussion in 'Farrier Advice For Horses With Lameness Issues' started by ex1730, Jan 20, 2013.
tom is right.
Thanks but I consider myself to be middle or slightly above middle of the road in most areas.
I envy you that, I wish I were even middle of the road Eric !!!!
I do ??????????????
go to everyday shoeing......it has lots of good shoeing work for you to look at and get an idea about your horses needs.
Michael Allen does beautiful work #1271 post........look at Smitty's. Chris's, and others work #1 on here....you have lots of options; ask questions and see what is best for your horse and you.
you're very humble
No, don't remember .....
We are located in NY.(kind of in the fingerlakes region). I am going to take some time and look through the suggested areas. I am hoping to get a video to post to show his movement but the weather here has been awful. I gather from the responses that no one cares for this shoe job but is it better then what was going on before? What are some suggestions to fix what is going on? I'm going to be honest and say we unfortunately cant afford to be having a 200 dollar corrective farrier bill ever 4 weeks...
Perhaps you should consider hauling him into Cornell and having the job done correctly. Then perhaps you can get some recommendations from the staff there(ie: Mr. Steve Kraus, CJF) for a farrier to do the follow-up work.
I really don't want to throw your farrier under the bus. And I don't want to believe that is not the goal of anyone posting here. BUT, the work shown in the pictures here (if only judged on cosmetic appearance with no other considerations) does not look like what I would expect to see from someone who shoes horses for any amount of money. And based on the pictures, what I can see of your facilities in the background, you have a much nicer barn than I do.
Alicia Thompson already mentioned functionality.
Well George I'd say most on here can say yes to all your question.
There is no reason for a hind shaped shoe on a round foot, can't blame shaping shoes on a bad horse.
Probably not going to be able to drive 8 nails in a horse that is foundered and in pain without him taking your head off.
No reason for some of the clinches to be rasped off and some to be a 1/2 inch long.
No reason to rape the toe and then put an extension on it with a poor shaped shoe.
None of us like bad mouthing others work. But we have before and after photos and they speak for themselves, and the owner came here for an opinion on the job. As far as functional, he missed that by a long shot on a foundered foot.
This one was rearing up and lunging forward while I was nailing and finishing but I still give it my best shot George..
Okay George you are entitled to your opinion, My thoughts on the job I will stand by even if the horse was an arse!!
So lets discuss the lack of functionality of this job, my biggest concern on any horse would be the choice of materials, would you, and this is directly at you George nail a shoe onto a foot with massively oversized nails that was post laminitic? Would you nail up the toe with oversized nails of a post laminitic? The trimming is below standard, one shoe appears to be bent down at the heel and the other foot has a badly non weight bearing rolled heel on it. Shoe placement and shape is not representative of the foot but hey I dont need to point that out, If you think thats acceptable in any shape or form then we are on a different page!! The one thing I dont mind is the rasp marks.
The owners request for shoeing suggestions are a little restrictive, Adecent pair of correctly fitting front shoes might do the job but that seems to be unlikley to be carried out.
As for an armchair farriers, I think you know better than that.
OMG........I do...........we agree
"For those of you firing away at this guy let me ask you all this:
How many of you guys have ever tried shoeing a hot founder?
How many of you guys have ever tried shoeing an ill broke puke that was trying to stomp your guts out?
How many of you ever tried working on one that was in a lot of pain?
Experience will show most of you over time that sometimes there are reasons why things are what they are and things aren't always as they appear.
Those who shoe horses for a living must sometimes get one done any way they can. Perhaps it was a major victory getting shoes on this one at all? A critic is the easiest thing in the world to be guys"
Since the horses behavior was addressed.. He pulled his foot back exactly one time and proceeded to put it down. (Please correct me if this is a huge problem and something that should never ever happen) He did this while having the nails put in. I'm not sure on which nail he was on but that was the only misbehavior we had. He stood as he should and how I expected him to behave. I don't put up with misbehaving and I do not expect a farrier/vet to have to deal with it either. It is not their responsibility to school my horse while they are there or have to be around one that is going to get them hurt. I know working around these animals is their job and I try to make it as easy as possible. This horse has never reared or been an "arse" during any shoeing or trimming job ever! If I felt that his behavior had a huge impact on the shoeing I would have included that in previous posts. Thank you for addressing it.
What I really want to know is this farrier helping or hindering my horse? I don't care if the shoe job isn't pretty as long as it is helping the horse. Is the job appear to be better then what was going on before? Is it unrealistic to have front shoes (or what is necessary to help) on for under 200 that are going to help? Is the job not helping him? If I can get the x-rays on here from the fall will that help ? Additional pics from the current shoeing?
So how much was this job, $175?
Nope. This one was $80. The previous pictures were from our $210 dollar job ( which has been ongoing since october and then the last time we were told we were having a barn call fee added on top of it because he moved and we are now further away)
I was asked? We can't afford to continue with the 200 dollar every four weeks. Especially since it appears that it has not been helping..
George, if I told you it would cost 100 dollars to buy a loaf of bread a gallon of milk at 1 store and 10 dollars to buy a gallon of milk in a loaf of bread at the other store which would you choose?
I realize you get what you pay for applies here but apparently we were way over paying for the work being done on this horse originally. Atleast that is the impression I am getting from some of the other posts and the lack of improvement we saw.
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