I agree. And, it seems to me that all things considered, the horse is now set up to prolapse its frog.
checked on him today; so far so good. Rick, you always look for the negative in everything. I always see the best in life and have more of a positive outlook on life. I have done this many times; so far I have had a prolapsed frog yet. I will be keeping an eye on the situation and if things change; I will take care of it.
Why would the frog prolapse? While I think about it what are the structures involved in a prolapse, what are the bio mech order of events of this type of foot to lead to the out come of a prolapsed frog. I can see that an over expanded foot that the digital cushion has pancaked being able to fall through a hole left by a built up shoe, or a counter rotated pedal bone having probs but not this foot above.
Gee Linda, You've already got plenty of folks who are willing to blow sunshine up your ass. I'm not one of them. Good for you. How many is 'many times'? So you'd rather be reactive than proactive. I'll keep that in mind from now on.....
Because it has no support? Because the bulbs are disunited? Because the heels are out of whack? Because the moon is in the seventh house? the frog, the frog corium/plantar cushion, the heels, the bulbs, P2, P3, the distal sesamoid, the bones of the affected limb. And lest we forget, the weight of the horse, gravity Weight descends through the bony column causing the back of the pedal bone to press into the plantar cushion. Since the heels are disunited, they offer no counter force/support. The frog has nothing/no way to oppose the downward force(s) especially since the heels themselves are incorrectly located and are unable to either properly or correctly do their job. As is easily seen in the one photo, the lateral heel has become wry and that too contributes to the problem. Will the frog actually prolapse? Quien sabe? All I said was that with the shoeing as pictured, the foot was set up to prolapse. Obviously we see thing differently and apparently our experience(s) with this type of situation are different too, Which is a well and good because we can all benefit from that.
I have never had a frog prolapse from a foot like this. If it has a decent sole, solar junction, the heels arnt to wide, suspensory strong, DDFT doing its job why would it prolapse? Im sure there will be a relationship between the width of P3 and the widest part of the foot width to prolapsing as there will be to atrophy of the frog in a narrow high heeled foot.
well, the horse is sound, happy and not even the slightest bob to the head at the trot in the ring yesterday. shoe good and tight; and no signs of a prolaping frog or anything else for that matter.
very negative. you worry too much. there's nothing to be reactive about. very familiar with the old Ibex glue ons and how they work.
with the frog area open; the central sulcus can be treated since it was a little infected. it looks good
I'd have to agree with this. For the frog to prolapse I would expect, more than anything, the DDFT to not be doing it's job. I've never seen frog support fix a prolapsed frog and I don't see how it would help much in preventing it.
More of a question than an idea, but since "prolapse" means for an organ to move or fall out of place, what exactly would that mean in the case of the frog? Since it's place is basically between the ground and the digital cushion, what is a prolapsed frog? I see hooves all the time where the frog is not in contact with the ground - club feet, recently shed or diseased frogs, etc. On the other hand, we have all seen the frog move up or down due to pressure of lack there of. I'm with Anthony, what are some other ideas? Regards
I have seen the same thing, weak diseased frogs that cause the heels to contract and the heels grow quite long? I used a lot of Alum wedges on Navicular horses and had a lot of success, but nothing like the KB Navi eggbars I use now ..my mentor Al Pinson actually encouraged us not to provide frog pressure of any kind for Navi syndrome horses..but back 35 yrs ago it was just called Navicular Disease, not syndrome.. we have learned a lot ...
The Dynamix shoes that I use on my endurance horses=) Not just a theraputic (?) shoe for me, I only use them in the summer time , lots of hard roads we work on, so they soften the blow to the joints of the horse. Atleast these are great for horses, and I see the results of them. My english is ok, but my technical english is so and so... does this shoe have the frog support that you guys are talking about ? (dont bite my head off)
A local Brisbane company is making these out of polyurethane. Never really liked the synthetic shoes I've seen much, but these seem to work alright. Watched a mate of mine nail these on at an endurance race... getting a few of these horses to do so might be putting a few on. Any gotchas or things to watch out for with synthetics
Yes, they can over expand and setting the nails in can be a problem. They have improved on them; since I used plastic shoes; so let us know or take pics to show us what the in's and out's are on these shoes. Thank you, Linda.
Nail placement is the #1 problem I have seen on the plastic shoes I've pulled off at the Vet clinics. One could be inclined to believe that these shoes "cause" abscesses, if you didn't notice all the missed placed nails with bloody drainage. It's almost as if these plastic shoes draw the less than experienced shoers or the "how hard could it be/do it yourself crowd". I have glued but not nailed any on them on myself.
Brian ur right from what I have seen on the how hard can it be crowd...also in my experience in my area the rubber shoe seems to attract the barefooters that have been steadfast against shoes and now have found themself needing something for the horse..norm they go to the boot..then you hear its rubbing..its to much trouble..the horse dont do well in boots..or something along those lines..so some how the rubber shoe is used for some reason they feel they still holding true to the preaching they done..
